Jared Willerson
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That was the point. If you want to shoot 70, you need to strive to go lower. Sometimes the golf universe gets to hung up on the number "72"
Breaking 80
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That was the point. If you want to shoot 70, you need to strive to go lower. Sometimes the golf universe gets to hung up on the number "72"
That's so obvious I thought he was trying to make some other point.
As in the lower you go, the harder it is to shave off strokes.
Brian Manzella
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Actually, it was a TYPO.
It should have said (and I'll fix it tonight):
It is easier to shoot 79 trying to shoot 76-78, then it is to shoot 79 trying to shoot 72.
If you need proof of this phenomenon, you should see how high the scores are at a Open Qualifying for a PGA Tour event.
Everyone knows they need 66-68, and the scores are MONSTROUSLY HIGh for a group of good players.
Bunches of 85+'s
It should have said (and I'll fix it tonight):
It is easier to shoot 79 trying to shoot 76-78, then it is to shoot 79 trying to shoot 72.
If you need proof of this phenomenon, you should see how high the scores are at a Open Qualifying for a PGA Tour event.
Everyone knows they need 66-68, and the scores are MONSTROUSLY HIGh for a group of good players.
Bunches of 85+'s
I somewhat agree with what you said, but there's a big catch for those Monday qualifier scores. In the Thursday Pre-Qualifiers they have now, you have to be in the top 50 or so to get into the Monday qualifier. A lot of the guys in these have NEVER PLAYED A TOURNAMENT or have less than 10 rounds of tournament experience. They are, essentially, joking themselves to think they have a chance.
In the Monday qualifiers, you don't see too many really high scores anymore. Most of the guys can play, and have done it under tournament conditions.
The high scores are from people who have "vanity-caps" of a 1 or 2, but really only post their scores from their good days. Most of the high scoring guys also have never played more than a club championship for tournament experience, or are "professionals" who play in very small events and shoot really high scores there, too
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tongzilla
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So the conclusion is don't try to play at a level you're not capable of?
Kevin Shields
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What else would he need? Its all good advice unless he wants to walk us through his entire round so we can analyze every shot.
jc2bg
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Nice concise analysis. Case in point, I finished last year as a 4 index but with our barely-out-of-winter fairways and cool (40s and 50s) temperatures, in my first 18-hole rounds of this "spring" I've had trouble reaching some greens in regulation. Yesterday, with wind chills in the 30s, I turned back into the wind for the final 6 holes and realized that 6 more bogies was possible even with all solid shots. Yikes! Put the rally cap on and managed to par the last 5, even though I didn't hit a single green in regulation. When you're distance-challenged, you've gotta chip and putt lights out...all the time. And never, ever make a double or you're going to struggle to break 80.
Thank god, in the warmer months I can average 225-240 off the tee and hit some short irons into holes of 350 yards, or even up to 400 yards occasionally. But it takes an excellent short game, consistent solid or near solid contact, and that's AFTER [as you say] sufficient distance is a given. I can go months without a penalty shot from the tee, which is the only way I can consistently shoot in the 70s. Guys who hit it 250-300 and shoot in the 80s, I wonder why they don't hit 5 wood off every tee. Of course, that wouldn't be as much fun. I can relate to that. -- JC
I`m one of the guys your talking about. I play with 3 cappers to 18 cappers. I think its all about getting to the green on your second shot (par 4) or 3rd shot par 5. The low cappers do this the others dont. Most guys are decent putters and chippers(not great). I shoot in the 80`s and low 90`s and knock down my second shot 75 percent with an iron, no problem with a wood. So all I practice is mid irons and putting. I beleive I represent that type of golfer....
I've only done it a few times so far so it's pretty easy to look at the stats.
I've shot 79 with as little as 4 GIRs, but typically 6 or more gives a chance as long as putting is OK and there are no throwaways. Personal best is 74 with 10 greens, 2 birdies, 5 u&d, 1 double.
On the other hand I've shot 80 twice with 10 GIR's, 36 puts, 1 u&d (same course both time with the same stats!). Once I shot 80 with 8 greens, 32 puts (two 3-puts), 3 birdies and then 10 on a par5 (2 OB's).
Brian seems to know what he's talking about (as usual).
I've shot 79 with as little as 4 GIRs, but typically 6 or more gives a chance as long as putting is OK and there are no throwaways. Personal best is 74 with 10 greens, 2 birdies, 5 u&d, 1 double.
On the other hand I've shot 80 twice with 10 GIR's, 36 puts, 1 u&d (same course both time with the same stats!). Once I shot 80 with 8 greens, 32 puts (two 3-puts), 3 birdies and then 10 on a par5 (2 OB's).
Brian seems to know what he's talking about (as usual).
adamscot89
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This is soooo true.
It's always tough to break a barrier like that when you are conscious of what score you want to shoot.
I can't even remember all the times that I have bogied the last 2 or 3 holes and ended up shooting 71 or 72 when all I could think about was getting in the 60's.
Just try and think about what you need to work on in your game and not what number you want to shoot, it will happen again.
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