Ok...I'll try to make this short and sweet, but I've been lurking around the TGM forums for a while and found some things helpful, but nothing too astounding until today it all came together. I've purchased several of Brian's shorts and appreciate the the VA vids as well. I've had flipper issues forever and still managed to be a single digit golfer, but terribly inconsistent. Today I found myself all over the place and remembered FORMER FLIPPER and Brian saying he was told to "bend over like a real golfer". I've always had more of a sit down position at setup and I suppose fairly upright. When I started getting more bend at the waist TGM all came together!!!! I could really feel the #3 PP, Different Hinging, delivery path, got LAG?!?! I could even maintain a flat left wrist / bent right wrist!!! So eye opening...This stuff works!! Thanks so much for everyones insightful posts and Thanks Brian for all the help...I'll eventually get to Lousville from MI for some lessons at some point! For those hitting weak fades and feeling like they have to really work to hit down on the ball....BEND OVER!