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Brian Manzella

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Pattern #13

Ah....

Very similar through the ball thought to the mysterious Pattern #13.

Is it a flip if the left wrist is flat or arched at impact, and then bends straight back on itself.

Ah....



No. :eek::eek::eek:
 
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I'm sure Brian has lost sensitivity to these kinda things over the years.......

but for me that might be the worst piece of golf instruction I've ever read in my life. Apparently a brain isn't a part of the skill set need to work for Sports Illustrated.

"How to build a swing you can trust"

I trust you'll be playing like sh**.
 
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If the wrist is straight through the ball, it might be the force of the kinetic chain "breaking" his wrists after contact. Club head gets whipped so fast that the arms/wrists can't keep up? Similar to the stopping at the bottom thread that Brian started. Clubhead keeps travelling -- and fast.

Getting ready to be totally wrong.
 
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I can understand what Brian is proposing with the cupping after impact.

The problem here is that amateurs will be reading golf magazine and trying this. When is the golf world gonna wake up and realized that "generalized" instruction just doesn't cut it in golf?!?!
 
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Bonesy said:
If the wrist is straight through the ball, it might be the force of the kinetic chain "breaking" his wrists after contact. Club head gets whipped so fast that the arms/wrists can't keep up? Similar to the stopping at the bottom thread that Brian started. Clubhead keeps travelling -- and fast.

Getting ready to be totally wrong.
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I step on the pivot brake, and let everything fly. I felt like I was flipping when I first started to do this, but the ball rockets. The only time I worry about a flat wrist is when hitting a beat-down wedge.
 
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HOW TO BUILD TRUST IN YOUR TOP POSITION

Point the toe down and cup your left wrist
As I swing the club to the top, I picture the toe of my driver hanging down in an open position and a cup in my left wrist. People will tell you that this leads to slicing, but it actually frees you up to swing down hard and release the club without fear, something you can't do if the face is closed. Most great golfers — the ones that have stood the test of time — point the toe down and cup their left wrist at the top.
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Please discuss bolded quote from the article on Golf.com:

Trevor Immelman: How to Build a Swing you Can Trust | Galleries | Golf.com
 
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Kevin Shields

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That comment is bordering on the insane. Why would they even print that? Some do, but I would bet the vast majority of Hall of Fame players dont. Its amazing what people can come up with to suit their philosophy.
 
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ej20

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That has to be the worst instructional article in the history of golf.

It is bound to set the average handicap back 10 shots.

I like Immelmans swing but after this,I will steer clear of his book if he ever decides to write one.
 
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That comment is bordering on the insane. Why would they even print that? Some do, but I would bet the vast majority of Hall of Fame players dont. Its amazing what people can come up with to suit their philosophy.
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Agreed, that comment is crazy. That is such a "leadbetter" method - toe down and cupped left wrist. Look at the players who have done this, he teaches - charles howell, faldo, Els, Immelman - Is this not just another ANti-Left startegy to help expert players. If amateurs made this move they would give up the game - a bit like "hogans secret" .

I really get annoyed when golf magazines do a feature on a pro's swing and then try and adapt it for general consumption eg.. this crap that Immelman is on about would probably improve 5 per cent of golfers.

The problem here is that amateurs will be reading golf magazine and trying this. When is the golf world gonna wake up and realized that "generalized" instruction just doesn't cut it in golf?!?!
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Great post!!
 
rcw

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"If you already over lean the shaft and naturally square the face like him this is a fantastic article. If you dont.......poison."

100% correct...
 
Guitar Hero

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If you know what Trevor is really talking about you will see most of this instruction is valid and other tour pros will do the same. The big problem is what tour pros talk about as compared to weekend golfers when it comes to their swings. The tour pro that understands the golf swing and many do today are still looking for the same thing as a weekend golfer. They to want to hit it longer with accuracy. The tour pro has the skill to play on the tour and we all know how good you have to be to compete on the pro tours today so when they work on a swing change it involves little changes over time.

The weekend golfer wants big changes in a short time. This is can be a problem for instructors trying to teach what pros work on compared to the weekend golfer. When I look at the article at a pro level I can see there is a swing pattern that a pro can learn but most weekend golfers cannot. Does this mean the instruction is incorrect or wrong? No it does not.

Let’s take How to build trust in your set up. Trevor has a good set up already and is looking for a key to help with the take away move. He likes the left arm connected so he will not swing the left arm independently and make a take away that will start the club head outside the plane. This works for him as it allows the pivot action to move the club head in the take away. If the pivot motion moves the club head with the left arm connected to the body the take away will move on an arc that is working back and in.

Trevor continues with How To Build Trust IN Your TakeAway. Here he explains he wants everything moving together as one unit. I would have to believe Trevor use to make the take away with the hands and arms with an early left wrist cock which produced an off plane movement at the start of his swing. Would I teach it this way to the weekend golfer? Probably not but it is good instruction for the golfer that understands this swing fault.

The take away for most golfers is a big problem and I see it in almost every student I have worked with. You have to look at the fault and how extreme it is before you provide the fix. I only wish Trevor would have shown us his before and after take away movements as many more would understand the instruction.

The rest of the article is good instruction for swing faults but I would have to agree it would not be much help for most weekend golfers. Also the position Trevor has the club face at the top is in the positive side of the sweet spot balance and is close to the same position Ben Hogan used in his later swing.

To Better Golf,
John W Rohan-Weaver GSEM
 
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