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lia41985

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Turning the face off the plane early...

Early tumble...

Whatever it is, it's good:
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footwedge

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lia41985 said:
Turning the face off the plane early...

Early tumble...

Whatever it is, it's good:
<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Nl2kYq4FHyk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
I hope that's a helpful visual for y'all :)
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I think he should spin his torso and his hips!;):D forget about the arms and club they will follow and obey.
 
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i think i know the difference between carry and tumble, but when would you apply one or the other to an underplane player what circumstances would be taken into consideration in order to apply the tumble or carry. the carry seems like a much easier move to integrate into the swing. like in jwats swing why would tumble be more suitable than carry.
 
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birly-shirly

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^Good question^

Also, Lia - do you think that "turning the face off the plane early" and "early tumble" amount to the same thing? If there's an advantage for someone who may already draw the ball, is it a rate of closure issue?
 
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gailfcno said:
i think i know the difference between carry and tumble, but when would you apply one or the other to an underplane player what circumstances would be taken into consideration in order to apply the tumble or carry. the carry seems like a much easier move to integrate into the swing. like in jwats swing why would tumble be more suitable than carry.
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It's not an either/or and it depends. You can pair the carry with the tumble, I think. If a golfer ilke Jwat improves his tumble he'll still need to carry his tumbled club to a proper location with his chest forward so that he can get his low point right.
birly-shirly said:
Also, Lia - do you think that "turning the face off the plane early" and "early tumble" amount to the same thing? If there's an advantage for someone who may already draw the ball, is it a rate of closure issue?
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Yes and yes if you mean what I think you mean by "rate of closure issue"--so what do you mean?
 
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birly-shirly

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Lia - where the face turns early off the plane it doesn't subsequently need to close so much nor so fast as it approaches the ball, say from last parallel, in order to be square at impact ??
 
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gailfcno

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lia41985 said:
It's not an either/or and it depends. You can pair the carry with the tumble, I think. If a golfer ilke Jwat improves his tumble he'll still need to carry his tumbled club to a proper location with his chest forward so that he can get his low point right.

Yes and yes if you mean what I think you mean by "rate of closure issue"--so what do you mean?
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thanks very much for the reply lia. im probably completely off. but in fowler and garcia's swing, they both have the hands deep and excessively lay the shaft off, you can see where they would need to really tumble the club to get it back on path. halfway down jwat has the deep hands but dosnt seem to lay the shaft off too much then he backs under it later in the swing and gets underlane, just seems like some carry would be more important to get the club and hands out in front, and then a little tumble.
 
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gailfcno said:
thanks very much for the reply lia. im probably completely off. but in fowler and garcia's swing, they both have the hands deep and excessively lay the shaft off, you can see where they would need to really tumble the club to get it back on path. halfway down jwat has the deep hands but dosnt seem to lay the shaft off too much then he backs under it later in the swing and gets underlane, just seems like some carry would be more important to get the club and hands out in front, and a little tumble later.
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Yup, as I said, it depends. I like your analysis.
 
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From an interview with Barry McDonnell, the only "swing coach" Fowler has ever had:
How would you describe the swing you and Rickie built?

I try to make sure I don’t tell juniors things they don’t need to know, so they don’t get confused. You could see Rickie was a little lopsided when he started, his weight on one side where he would dig in for power, but he was right on plane. He swung his dad’s driver even when he was little.

Rickie’s dad and grandfather never cut down a driver for him, right? At first, he played with a woman’s driver, and then his father’s driver as he got a little older.

That’s how he worked that little figure eight into his swing.

Was that good for him, swinging that big club?

That gave him a lot of strength in his hands and forearms. He got a lot of speed doing that. I could see he was coming from inside and catching the ball square, so I didn’t take it away from him. I used to have him hit the ball with his eyes closed, for feel and confidence, going strictly by feel and rhythm gives you confidence.

So the flatter swing came from having that big driver?

He had to kind of work the club outside so he wouldn’t bounce the club over the ball. He would take the club out and drop it back in. That’s how he finds his ball. I told him don’t ever go away from that move. The only way he hits it left is if he pulls it. When he drops inside, he can hit it as strong as he wants. I have a bunch of kids I work with, and I don’t try to make them all look alike. Golf is more an art form than a science.

Rickie’s father calls you old school.

They say that, I don’t know. I let kids find their own personality in their swings. I just try to get the fundamentals in there, but I don’t try to make them all look alike. If the club is coming from the inside, and they get square to the ball, as far as I’m concerned, it’s a good swing.
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http://www.thegolfchannel.com/tour-insider/quick-barry-mcdonnell-33410/
“It’s a throwback,” McGraw said. “It’s definitely different, but he has a lot of confidence in that swing and the ball keeps falling where he’s looking.”

Fowler’s swing wasn’t fashioned under the tutelage of a country club coach. His swing was developed at Murrieta Valley Golf Range, under the eye of a driving range instructor, Barry McDonnell. He’s still the only swing coach Fowler’s ever had.

“Barry taught Rickie old school,” Rod Fowler said. “He taught him to play with feel rather than mechanics. He also taught him how to fix himself. Mentally, he was good for Rickie. He taught him never to let anything get in his way.”
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http://www.thegolfchannel.com/tour-insider/rickie-fowler-ends-amateur-career-walker-cup-win-32132/
 
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lia41985 said:
Turning the face off the plane early...

Early tumble...

Whatever it is, it's good:
<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="480" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/Nl2kYq4FHyk" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
I hope that's a helpful visual for y'all :)
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Ok, I'll call it talent unencumbered by self-analysis :eek:
 
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