Can someone explain how swinging too far to the right causes toe shots?

[wpfisher]

no, in my example the contact in the sole would be near the heel. So this means your problem isn't lie angle.

Without see my swing, what could it be? Standing up to avoid fat and fit the flip ala 1987 Brian Manzella? Steep backswing? Shafts too stiff (using projext x 7.0 have s 6 iron swing speed of 93mph w/ a driver swing speed of 118mph but never seem to hit the low right shots that indicate too stiff)? Combination?

 

[cmartingolf]

I've seen too many bad fittings over the years..

Player A goes for a fitting. Pro B uses some sole tape and sees that the sole impact is way out toward the toe. Voila - Ping Silver Dots...

The problem here is that the player was SOOOO Steep at impact (hands way above plan) that only part of the club that had a chance to corral the ball is the toe. Hell, the heel is 1/2" off the ground! Very little to do with toe droop on this type of player.

Fix the plane and the clubs wouldn't be far off standard.

 

[wedgeplay]

This makes sense.........

About 3 or 4 years ago my game was in a severe slump.

I go find a local PGA pro that had a good reputation for a lesson.

He watched me hit balls and said you don't need a lesson you need your irons fitted.I know now I fight swinging too far right.

I was playing Mizuno MP-33's which are flatter to begin with and he bent them down 2-3 degrees flatter.

 

[swingobsessed]

Fitting?

What is the best way to get fitted for lie angle? I don't know who or what to trust in order to get this done properly.

 

[dbl]

It sounds like the fitter will have to determine for a person who is way out of spec due to swing flaws what is desired, asking....: "do you want clubs to fit your current swing, or are you planning on changing your swing in the near future?"

 

[wpfisher]

It sounds like the fitter will have to determine for a person who is way out of spec due to swing flaws what is desired, asking....: "do you want clubs to fit your current swing, or are you planning on changing your swing in the near future?"

I have always played with 2* upright clubs, as were the clubs that were getting tested. Once we saw no matter what degree of upright was helping, we knew it was the swing, not the club.

 

[birdie_man]

I've seen too many bad fittings over the years..

Player A goes for a fitting. Pro B uses some sole tape and sees that the sole impact is way out toward the toe. Voila - Ping Silver Dots...

The problem here is that the player was SOOOO Steep at impact (hands way above plan) that only part of the club that had a chance to corral the ball is the toe. Hell, the heel is 1/2" off the ground! Very little to do with toe droop on this type of player.

Fix the plane and the clubs wouldn't be far off standard.

Yup I got fitted for 4 up a few years ago when I was an open clubface flipper............

No way that was working. Even on appearance alone. (4 upright irons look pretty funky at address)

 

[Burner]

IMO this is the best answer to my question. Send me a paypal address and you will soon have $5.00 in it.

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What Burner is talking about is toe droop; during the downswing and the flexing of the shaft the toe literally bends down and is called toe droop. So if you have a ball in the center of the clubface and the club is too upright the toe will not "droop enough" to bring the sweetspot in contact with the ball thus hitting the ball off the toe. As you bend the lie flatter you are essentially creating more toe droop to get the sweetspot closer to the ball.

Thanks Jim.

Give the $5 to a worthy charity of your choice please.