Case Study?

[ffejeff224]

Hello everyone,

My name is Jeff and I was once a handle dragger who swung down and out towards the ball. I have been sober now for over a month thanks to Brian and his team. It all started with the tumble thread and trying to throw the clubhead out in front of me. The latest release thread was the nail in the coffin for my addiction and has completely cured me of my need to drag the handle and push my hands out. I know that some may think it was completely blind, naive, stupid, whatever you want to call it, of me to think that dragging the handle was the solution to my golfing woes, but poor magazine instruction and a need/want to hit purely struck golf shots had me thinking that I needed to get my hands further forward.

Enough with the solemn stuff. I am so happy now that my golf game is finally coming together and I am finally able to concentrate on scoring rather than trying to figure out why I just shanked, sliced, pulled, hooked, and hit the ball all over the place. My regular flight patterns have been changed to a soft draw, or even working the ball both ways. I have done this by basically adding the jump to my swing and removing the FATS. I feel like all the force on the shaft at impact is normal (in towards my core). And personally, I haven't even worried about moving the club away from the target at the start of the downswing. I just pivot and let the club do the work.

 

[spktho]

I can't say that this is an accurate indication of what I can do or will be able to do--I get my right knee acl repaired next week. But, I hit a few balls at about 50-75% just to see how the release information translated to me. I was a flipper turned handle dragger and trying my interpretation of the release led to mostly all pulls. But, I was intentionally restricting my pivot favoring the knee and, as mentioned in the release thread, have learned to roll the hands as part of the handle dragging/clubhead squaring. It did feel very free and easy though.

 

[birly-shirly]

I know. If you give your self enough room with your backswing by getting as up and in as you can go (and back to some extent so as to prevent putting what Kevin has called the transition torques on your arms by getting left too soon) you can carry and drop together to achieve that tangential motion Michael discusses in his video and still have room to pull the coupling path up and in. You see?

Lia - in the context of this particular thread, and since I think you said you were going to Atlanta for a lesson with Brian and Kevin, I think you'd make for a brilliant case study. You're all over the discussion on the forum and the concepts - so your swing now should be a great exemplar of the OP's idea of "information-based" learning. If you were up for posting video of your swing and writing up what you're doing with it now - and then following up after your lesson with the Manzella Academy - I think it would be a fascinating practical investigation of the OP's thesis.

What do you think?

 

[nevermind]

Nevermind, I wish you good luck but given what you say, why would you think reading more from forum members would improve your ability to assimilate?[/url]

Wow, I don't know if getting to a third page is a sign of a little interest by many or much interest in a few... More of the latter no doubt and interest in what who knows

dbl, I wasn't hoping to boost my ability to put improved information into action, although that would be nice, but rather to find out how good golfers are, in general, at doing just that. After some thought it was a pipe dream, an internet forum is never going to be a good place to gather data. I didn't even suggest a format for how people could "hand it in". Also there's been a fair chunk of HOW thrown in now from various sources so the data would hardly be "clean".

With time constraints and plain interest level always an issue I'm gonna try something new, try to be more efficient and wait for the HOW to come out. I'll sit this one out. Best wishes to anyone who tries.

 

[dbl]

Birly - Post 9 has Lia footage (pun) as a starter.
Nevermind, sorry if I came across brusque. Myself, I can do this from the release thread tidbits, but what I'm wondering from Manz is how this release fits into his whole structure of new-COFF not flipping, and wedding run up NSA moves. How does this fit (or change!) the paradigms? Technique aint too hard - throw it from the top, and near impact move shoulder up and back (etc) to move hands up. But my coconut is atwhirl in how this fits into golf thought. Poor Ringer in 2004 was roundly boo'd for this thinking.

 

[lia41985]

At any one moment, you're swinging the club in a certain fashion. If you're honest with yourself or ambitious when it comes to wanting to get better you see something you can do to implement a change. Anything could work and usually it's the idea that's ludicrous but for whatever reason gets you doing the opposite which is what you need. This is amazing new information. But that's not going to change the fact that the idea isn't going to make anyone a scratch. Really mull over what the OP's have been saying. If you think I'd be a great case study, I'm flattered, but you're your own best case study if you're coming here to learn and implement into your own pattern. I'm here to help myself and others and I hope y'all are too. Happy Friday, folks!

 

[birly-shirly]

Lia - if that's a "no thanks" then I understand, even whilst I might think it's an opportunity missed to, as you say, "help yourself and others".

To be honest, I'm not sure I understand your post. You said it's usually the misinterpretation of a ludicrous idea that makes progress. Surely you don't mean that. If you do, then you must be much more sceptical about the value of swing theory than I expected.

 

[dbl]

I read that differently, that wherever a person is,they are stuck, and an idea which can help them will (often) seem ludicrous, yet has to be tried to gain the freedom desired.

 

[spmurph]

I would also like to see a couple episodes of "The Lia Project." Actually, IMO, that's a great idea Birly.

 

[hp12c]

This is a shout out to anyone who has read or watched the recent communications from Brian and Michael regarding the Coupling Point Path etc, and have or will be taking it to the range/course.

Both Brian and Michael have stated that their video's and posts are not instructional in nature. My take is there is some "HOW" included in the communications from both, but for the most part they've stuck to the "WHAT". So we have a great chance to investigate how capable we golfers are at converting improved information, into improved ball striking.

If we could, very quickly before the "HOW" gets out, get all the golfers out there who take this info to the range, course or whatever, to honestly post what kind of results they're having we could see if the pursuit of knowledge is really worth it for us internet golfers.

I realize there's a chance Brian or Michael might say "hold up, we're giving this information away for free, we don't want encourage anyone to skip our teaching", but I doubt it. In my time online Brian has always been keen to prove his value as a teacher and I think this is a great chance to do it. If we compare the improvement, or lack of, before and after the "HOW" is published, I'm inclined to think we'll see a wide gulf. My guess is it would point out to us all, me especially, that forking out for their Instruction is a no brainer.

I wont be offended or upset when nothing comes of this, but I wish it would. I've spent years on the web seeking out the best information, with a dash of Brian's instructional video's on the side, and have attempted to apply it on my own with varying success, but is it really just a waste of time?

Can knowledge improve ball striking? If we know the "What", can we work out our own "HOW"?

Thanks for reading, and thank-you to Brian and Michael, and all the others involved, for sharing.

Good idea but need video and someone like lets see, Bmanz or another qualified instructor, to confirm what one is doing in regadrs to this coupling swing path.

 

[Steve Greffen]

Kevin Shields might be a good case study

 

[whisper]

I feel happier now that it was a good execution of a rubbish idea, rather than a poor execution of a good idea

No kidding. I shanked it all around Turnberry on a golf trip trying *exactly* that move.

 

[bgoodyear]

No kidding. I shanked it all around Turnberry on a golf trip trying *exactly* that move.

I feel your pain. I had a plague of shanks trying those moves.

This release really works. Just shaved 5 strokes off my low round at a tough local course even with a couple of bad breaks. Best ball striking round ever for me.

 

[lia41985]

Got a new set of irons today, Taylor Made R11. Took a video from the store: 9/3 6 iron by lia - YouTube

I'm trying to stay as wide and relaxed as possible. Hitting it very good for me.

 

[johnnymarlboro]

Got a new set of irons today, Taylor Made R11. Took a video from the store: 9/3 6 iron by lia - YouTube

I'm trying to stay as wide and relaxed as possible. Hitting it very good for me.

Your posture at address looks so much better then your thread from a few weeks back.

 

[spmurph]

Why not invest in a casio? I can't see how much you can take from those vids.

 

[lia41985]

murph: I'm really only looking to make sure my path doesn't drift too far rightwards and for that my camera phone is adequate.

johnny: Thanks, man! I've been working on it. I really want to get good at this game and this forum has been a tremendous help as has having the time and taking the initiative to practice. I've gotta keep practicing and also start playing way more.