birdie_man
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What's the call?
2 heads...
Same shape....
1 cast, 1 forged...
Difference?
2 heads...
Same shape....
1 cast, 1 forged...
Difference?
Cast vs. Forged
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Erik_K
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Both of these heads are of identical design?
Generally speaking, cast clubs are harder and such are bit more durable but harder to bend or adjust. For example, I had Ping i3s and wanted them adjusted. My local fitter didn't want because it's possible to crack a head if you are not careful, and I needed an adjustment on all of the irons because I needed longer irosn that had to reshafted.
He could bent one or two OK, but a whole set...it's possible an iron could have been ruined.
Forged clubs are softer and might get knicked up a little easier.
Generally speaking, cast clubs are harder and such are bit more durable but harder to bend or adjust. For example, I had Ping i3s and wanted them adjusted. My local fitter didn't want because it's possible to crack a head if you are not careful, and I needed an adjustment on all of the irons because I needed longer irosn that had to reshafted.
He could bent one or two OK, but a whole set...it's possible an iron could have been ruined.
Forged clubs are softer and might get knicked up a little easier.
mrodock
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If you want to hit the sweet spot time after time, you better be looking at forged. The feedback you get is so important to becoming a very good ballstriker. Also, I share BigD's experience with hot spots on cast clubs. About 8 years ago I hit my 7 iron 155 and I would hit the occassional 190 yard 7 iron (FROM THE FAIRWAY, IN THE AIR).
Matt
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Jim Kobylinski
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Feel is related to sound not the softness/firmness of the metal.
Cast clubs are more durable but have trouble being bent for lie/loft.
Forged clubs are less durable (however forged stainless is better than a carbon forging) and are easier to bend for loft/lie.
Nowadays you can get just as forgiving forged clubs as you can cast clubs.
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Also, if you want the benefits of "forged feel" with a cast clubhead i would look into the taylormade RAC technology. The RAC technology does something to the sound that is emitted when the clubhead strikes the ball to create that "soft feel" sound.
My RAC LTs when hit pure feel just like a set of Miuras.
Cast clubs are more durable but have trouble being bent for lie/loft.
Forged clubs are less durable (however forged stainless is better than a carbon forging) and are easier to bend for loft/lie.
Nowadays you can get just as forgiving forged clubs as you can cast clubs.
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Also, if you want the benefits of "forged feel" with a cast clubhead i would look into the taylormade RAC technology. The RAC technology does something to the sound that is emitted when the clubhead strikes the ball to create that "soft feel" sound.
My RAC LTs when hit pure feel just like a set of Miuras.
Jim Kobylinski
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Burner said:Come on now, Jim, get real.
Can you hear a Womans skin? Can you feel a piece of music?
I would rather touch the former and hear the latter any day.
The impact feel of a forged club is like feeling silk as opposed to the denim of a cast club - IMHO.
Not a valid comparison...if i put ear plugs in you and had you hit balls you wouldn't be able to tell a difference. This is a fact that they have studied even with tour pros, SPECIFICALLY for golf ball design as well as clubhead design.
Golfhead "Feel" is related to how it sounds.
Burner
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jim_0068 said:
Don't know about any Auditory studies with the Pros. But, I have played cast and now play forged and the sound on impact is only that of a mashed golf ball - different compression balls = different sounds - ..................but the forged feel?, now that is like silky soft skin.
Jim Kobylinski
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Burner said:
I'm sorry, but you're wrong. This isn't something i'm guessing about or some theory i have. It has been tested and proven.
The way forging/casting is done creates different sounds when the ball leaves the clubface and thus your brain interprets that into a "feel."
If you put ear plugs in your ears where you couldn't hear anything (to not distort the test) you wouldn't have the same feel. It would actually be a NEW "feel" because your brain would have to interpret the new collisino of impact into some feel.
birdie_man
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Burner man...
I've heard of this a lot....sound affecting feel. I think it's true.
Of course feel itself will have an effect....when you skull a ball on a cold day your hands don't hurt because of the sound waves....
I think the sound thing has an effect tho. All the big club and ball companies have done research.
I've heard of this a lot....sound affecting feel. I think it's true.
Of course feel itself will have an effect....when you skull a ball on a cold day your hands don't hurt because of the sound waves....
I think the sound thing has an effect tho. All the big club and ball companies have done research.
Perfect Impact
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Wishon says that if you weren't told and the metal was disguised, you would not know the difference between the clubs by feel. We associate certain club designs with forged/cast; it could be we confuse THOSE things with the actual properties of the metal striking a ball.
Millrat
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jim_0068 said:
I wonder about this stuff Jim.
Sound is only vibrating air. If your ear didn't pick it up your body still would. Deaf people cant hear as we do but they sense vibration every bit as well.
As far as feel sensed at the hands, I find it tough to believe that two materials so different in molecular structure would transmit the same feel the hands i.e. frequency, intensity, sustain.
I feel a difference, though I cant guarantee that I could pass a double blind test or anything.
Is there any published test that we can dig up?
CW
Jim Kobylinski
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Obviously the vibration of impact would produce some feel in your hands which your brain would interpret into "something."
What i'm trying to point out is that the "feel" of forged versus the "feel" of cast is determined by the sound. If i put ear plugs in and gave you a cast club and a forged club they might or might not have different feels but the point i'm trying to make is that THOSE FEELS would be NEW and nothing normal because you're ears can't interpret the audible sound.
Think about it, do you know why some Scotty putters have "slits" in the bottoms of them? Because when you put with those the sound changes and emits more of a hollow "tink" which some people find comforting.
What i'm trying to point out is that the "feel" of forged versus the "feel" of cast is determined by the sound. If i put ear plugs in and gave you a cast club and a forged club they might or might not have different feels but the point i'm trying to make is that THOSE FEELS would be NEW and nothing normal because you're ears can't interpret the audible sound.
Think about it, do you know why some Scotty putters have "slits" in the bottoms of them? Because when you put with those the sound changes and emits more of a hollow "tink" which some people find comforting.
Jim Kobylinski
Super Moderator
jpvegas1 said:
The RAC CBs...not the cast RAC LTs.
However i'll never forget the "feel" of your Miura 201s i hit in orlando. I still might get me a set. Nothing like the Miura forging.
birdie_man
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jpvegas1 said:
Retail RACs?
Are u sure?
Which ones:
http://www.taylormadegolf.com/vintage_detail.asp?catID=9&page=1
-Paul
birdie_man
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jim_0068 said:
They were that good?
I have to agree about the forged feel. I have had forged irons and cast irons and the forged irons definitely give you more feedback.
I play the titleist 735s and when the ball is struck dead center off the face its as if it doesnt even make a sound and I feel nothing. Its a Zen like moment. The only time sound really comes into play, in my opinion, is when you skull a ball. There is the sound of the club and the sound of me cursing soon thereafter.
I play the titleist 735s and when the ball is struck dead center off the face its as if it doesnt even make a sound and I feel nothing. Its a Zen like moment. The only time sound really comes into play, in my opinion, is when you skull a ball. There is the sound of the club and the sound of me cursing soon thereafter.
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