Bill Miracle
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What are the real causes?
Cause and prevention of pulled shots
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Jim Kobylinski
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Brian had a nice audio a while ago where be basically said that once you have better clubface control and are swinging relatively on plane, the pull shot is a result of losing your axis tilt THROUGH the ball.
This causes you to hit more of the back of the ball and forces the club much more to the left after impact bending the plane line left and resulting in a pull.
This causes you to hit more of the back of the ball and forces the club much more to the left after impact bending the plane line left and resulting in a pull.
Bill Miracle
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Do u have a link to that????
would appreciate it.
would appreciate it.
Brian Manzella
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Here ya go...
[media]http://homepage.mac.com/brianmanzella/.Music/thepulls.mp3[/media]
[media]http://homepage.mac.com/brianmanzella/.Music/thepulls.mp3[/media]
Bill Miracle
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Been out of the country for the last week...
thanks for the audio
thanks for the audio
If I were trying to hit a pull fade with a 7 iron my clubface might be -2* and club path -4* on Trackman. How would the loss of axis tilt cause my club path to be more like -2* for a pull to occur with my 7 iron? Does the loss of axis tilt cause my HSP to be more to the right and therefore the club path to be more to the right? I always thought that axis tilt (not the loss of it) would cause the HSP and club path to be more to the right (more of an in to out move).
drewyallop
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http://www.brianmanzella.com/brianmanzella/.Music/thepulls.mp3
This link just takes me back to the Forum home page.
Drew
This link just takes me back to the Forum home page.
Drew
Generally. Maybe focus on the right shoulder instead? - is it working down plane on the downswing, or dropping vertically?
Assuming 1-2" hip slide left, think 'later' rather than 'quicker'.
If the right shoulder drops vertically, think clubface closing 'sooner' - at impact, face and path are 'closing', in post impact conditions.
Check out Brian's explanation of D Plane to enhance your understanding of face and path relationships.
Hope this helps.
I understand the relationship between club path and face angle for a pull. I still don't understand how less axis tilt causes both to be the same (left of the target line) for a pulled shot. I'm more vertical than horizontal player with my backswing (think 2 planer) and always have had problems hitting fades or pull fades. I can hit draws (not push draws) all day long. May the reason I can't hit good pull fades comes from the fact that a more upright torso will allow me to extend down the line more, compromise the integrity of my arc and push the path more to the right then what it should be to hit a pull fade (club path left of the face angle). I remember a post that most people were shocked at how far left they must swing to counter a negative attack angle and maybe that plays into the pull fade problem for me. It's hard getting left when you're over 25.
Kevin Shields
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Can you explain "compromise the integrity of my arc"? Ive never heard that one.
My own term for the feeling of how hard one must swing left to zero out their path. Why are so many people surprised at how far left they must swing to zero out their path once on Trackman? If we think about the swing as an arc (I know it's debatable) and we don't get left enough, I describe this phenomenon as losing the integrity of the arc (or think of it as not following the arc that we need). Maybe 3D technology will shed more light on this topic.
Kevin -
What about my hypothesis about why less axis tilt allows us to throw the path mire to the right when we need it left of the face for a pull fade or fade? I hope that project 1.68 discusses our mind/body connection along with spatial awareness. My brain doesn't process left enough.
Kevin -
What about my hypothesis about why less axis tilt allows us to throw the path mire to the right when we need it left of the face for a pull fade or fade? I hope that project 1.68 discusses our mind/body connection along with spatial awareness. My brain doesn't process left enough.
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Ok now that I can listen to it, time for my stupid questions.
I can absolutely flush a pull. If I try to force axis tilt I hit a weak block slice. (Maybe not releasing ?)
If people could respond with their "feels" that seem to work for maintaining axis tilt. Maybe someones feel will work for me.
I can absolutely flush a pull. If I try to force axis tilt I hit a weak block slice. (Maybe not releasing ?)
If people could respond with their "feels" that seem to work for maintaining axis tilt. Maybe someones feel will work for me.
Then, assuming you're pattern is good, your ball could be too far forward.
Have you ever heard of using a clubs bounce to establish shaft lean and ball position? Might be helpful for you.
Then, assuming you're pattern is good, your ball could be too far forward.
Have you ever heard of using a clubs bounce to establish shaft lean and ball position? Might be helpful for you.
I do tend to play the ball forward.
I have not heard of using a clubs bounce to establish shaft lean and ball position. Does this mean using the clubs design, i.e. sole flat with no bounce showing ?
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