Brian Manzella
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Clarification on a couple of points on the Release - short video answer by Brian
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Great video Brian. One thing...I'm used to hearing the word tangential...as tangenshul...and suggest you change to that so that at events like the anti summit, those in the room don't squirm. Saying this friend to friend.
http://www.merriam-webster.com/audio.php?file=tangen03&word=tangential
http://www.merriam-webster.com/audio.php?file=tangen03&word=tangential
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coophitter
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"The club and arms must lead on the downswing, just as they should on the upswing. Not the hips and body first, which means shifting the weight as a preliminary to the body turning, and then the arms and club, as so many teach. That would be good advice to follow, if you wanted to cultivate body sway; but it is body action of every sort you want to keep down to the minimum."
"If I simply swing, largely with the arms and club, taking care that the club is leading all the way through and not the body or any part of it, the ball will be struck with the finest degree of delicacy but with enough percussion at the clubhead to whisk it awy two hundred and fifty yards or more."
"The golf swing must be regarded, primarily, as an action of the club. It slashes through the ball of its own accord, without let or hindrance, except the final power which a finished player may apply be letting his weight come around behind the shot at the very instant of follow through, but not before, mind you; and none of these movements will come off correctly if body action---and I might say wrist action---is permitted, in ever so slight a degree, to get into the downswing proper, which is largely executed by the clubs, aided and abetted by the arms and hands."
Harry Vardon
"If I simply swing, largely with the arms and club, taking care that the club is leading all the way through and not the body or any part of it, the ball will be struck with the finest degree of delicacy but with enough percussion at the clubhead to whisk it awy two hundred and fifty yards or more."
"The golf swing must be regarded, primarily, as an action of the club. It slashes through the ball of its own accord, without let or hindrance, except the final power which a finished player may apply be letting his weight come around behind the shot at the very instant of follow through, but not before, mind you; and none of these movements will come off correctly if body action---and I might say wrist action---is permitted, in ever so slight a degree, to get into the downswing proper, which is largely executed by the clubs, aided and abetted by the arms and hands."
Harry Vardon
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SteveT
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Brian ... how do the hands apply a "tangential" force to the horizontal club at the top? I can see it happening with the quick straightening out of the bent left arm elbow as you start the downswing, but if your lead left arm is straight at the top then the only force you can apply is with the rotation of the left shoulder pulling the left arm around... which is entirely a torque action.
What is the source of the force?
What is the source of the force?
The right elbow straightening, with the movement occurring at the left
shoulder instead the left elbow?
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SteveT
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@Bigwill .... Hey, isn't that good ol' PP#3 feel? When you reverse at the top, you get a lashing feel which is the right hand opposing the backswing momentum of the club resulting in a fulcrum pressure on the right hand.
If you just straighten the right elbow, you are creating a torquing between the hands, which is not a 'tangential' force. The result can be in a tangential direction in relation to the rotation about the body axis, but it's not a tangential 'force'.
Perhaps I am nitpicking kinetically, but all forces and torques are 'applied', and their direction and magnitude must be well defined.
@ckeller14... Nope, haven't seen the new dvd.
If you just straighten the right elbow, you are creating a torquing between the hands, which is not a 'tangential' force. The result can be in a tangential direction in relation to the rotation about the body axis, but it's not a tangential 'force'.
Perhaps I am nitpicking kinetically, but all forces and torques are 'applied', and their direction and magnitude must be well defined.
@ckeller14... Nope, haven't seen the new dvd.
It depends on how you do it. If I understand the scenario you're presenting (pushing the right hand away), then I see what you're saying. But if you're using the right arm to perform a movement similar to Brian's fiddle drill, then I think you can properly apply that tangential force at the top, even with a locked-out left arm. It may be more difficult to do it this way (maybe even too difficult to be worth the effort?); could that be the reason Brian likes to see some slack at the top? Dunno, but I would like to see what Brian and the gang have to say about it...
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Shot Limit
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It's a feel of the motion of the hands in transition "Tangential" to the arc, away from the target.
Michael Jacobs
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Freddy,
As I am sure you know, There are 2 components of the hand force - one thats tangental and one thats normal
As far as the golfer is concerned, without the normal component {merely holding onto the club} the club would fly out in a straight line.. The normal component bends the path of the club
The hand force directions are responsible for the outward moving of the club...
Because the start down is so slow the initial part is purely tangential and then as there is a speed gain the normal component starts to increase to the point where it is completely normal down at the bottom
How come you didn't confirm my Facebook friend request???
Michael Jacobs
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Freddy is waiting for cyber monday to do his online shopping
Matt 4-L
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The out toss doesn't work for me, if I try to throw the club head out a funny thing happens, it goes out. I have a fairly straight left arm and have a more compact swing. Everything else seems to work pretty good so far, I am guessing I don't need it... Maybe Brian addressed it in the vimeo, but I can't view vimeo.
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