CLASS PROJECT: Terminology

[mgranato]

Someone please explain flipping scientifically. C'mon.

I didn't even want my doctor explaining what he was going to do in scientific terms, and I really don't need a list of the 34 bones, muscles, tendons, and micro moves to explain that having the handle behind the club head at impact is a flipping flip.

I really like reading the great swing topics here without having a copy of Grey's Anatomy open off to the side.

 

[Brian Manzella]

Twistaway
Shake the Sugar
Sit in the chair
Manzella nuetral grip
Wedding ring up
Yellow brick road
D Plane
Axis tilt
Pitch elbow
Punch elbow

Twistaway - Turning the shaft counter-clockwise, or "away" from the golfer, on in Dr. Steven Nesbit's work, positive gamma torque. Doing so closes the clubface.

Sit in the chair - From the top of the swing, finding a location from the rear end to get into before in which to goes the golfer goes downward into the ground. Often used in combination with adding hip turn and forward shift in the change of direction, and allowing for some early separation in the arms from the torso.

Manzella Neutral Grip - The score lines on the clubface perfectly matching the flat left wrist.

Yellow Brick Road - The path of the clubhead, past impact, as it looks to the golfer on the ground if the club was perfectly on plane. Often laid out with yellow ranges balls approximately two feet apart. Also used with the term, Hips-Hands-Clubhead, in reference to the sequence throw the ball.

D-Plane - A plane formed by the point of the mid-impact interval (maximum compression) clubface normal, the instantaneous resultant path of the center of mass of the club, and the ball. On this plane, the flight of the ball begins, approximately 70-85% toward the clubface normal point (depending on the cut angle).


more to come....

 

[hp12c]

I don't know how to post pics of this. If you have the room, it's ideal that the clubhead swings outward and around the the ball. And that should happen near the bottom of the swing. If you go out and around at the top, you missed the ideal delivery into the ball and have to "back the shaft up" and fit it into impact vertically.

Think down and around = good
Around then down = bad

Ok gotcha, thank you Kevin.

 

[Ryan Smither]

Wedding Ring Up - This position and swing thought from the Never Slice Again pattern can be had by utilizing the twistaway throughout the swing. Specifically, the post-impact position requires having a flat/arched left wrist through impact and into the follow-thru, allowing the club and clubface to be put on the movie screen (imagine a big movie screen behind the target). In this position, you can see your wedding ring and it will be facing upward towards the sky.

 

[DCgolf]

Out of these idioms you could get the best golf illustration book ever. And I'd get the Wally Wood and Mort Drucker types to do the art. Put "throw the drunk off your back" in the hands of a great cartoonist, and you get some funny stuff, all while teaching golf to the masses!!! Whatever it takes...

 

[drewyallop]

Twistaway- Turning the shaft counter-clockwise, or "away" from the golfer, on in Dr. Steven Nesbit's work, positive gamma torque. Doing so closes the clubface.

Sit in the chair - From the top of the swing, finding a location from the rear end to get into before in which to goes the golfer goes downward into the ground. Often used in combination with adding hip turn and forward shift in the change of direction, and allowing for some early separation in the arms from the torso.

Manzella Neutral Grip - The score lines on the clubface perfectly matching the flat left wrist.

Yellow Brick Road - The path of the clubhead, past impact, as it looks to the golfer on the ground if the club was perfectly on plane. Often laid out with yellow ranges balls approximately two feet apart. Also used with the term, Hips-Hands-Clubhead, in reference to the sequence throw the ball.

D-Plane - A plane formed by the point of the mid-impact interval (maximum compression) clubface normal, the instantaneous resultant path of the center of mass of the club, and the ball. On this plane, the flight of the ball begins, approximately 70-85% toward the clubface normal point (depending on the cut angle).


more to come....

It is good that BM will be providing definitions of the terms and metaphors. But I have one suggestion. Make sure the definition makes grammatical sense. Take a look at "Sitting in the Chair" above. I don't know if this is a spell check problem or just sloppy proof reading or something else. I may be wrong but it seems to happen frequently and not only with BM's posts. I am pedantic and like clear writing, especially when terms are being defined.

Drew

 

[drewyallop]

Back to terminology ... Flipping

Everyone seems to agree it is a bad thing. But why? Is it because there is a reduction in clubface speed? And if this is the case can someone (mandrin?) provide an explanation from the physics of circular motion?

 

[puttmaster]

Replace the left arm
Vertical left arm
Early extension
Clubhead throwaway

 

[bluebird]

Lining it up
Power leaks

 

[Kevin Shields]

Replace the left arm
Vertical left arm
Early extension
Clubhead throwaway

1 and 2. Swinging the left arm so that it is always (from the DTL view) to the left of a vertical
line from the shoulder in the downswing. Then swings vertically approaching impact then replaces the space it occupied at address.

3. Going from bent over to a straightening of the posture prematurely. Sometimes a physical thing, usually because of an overly steeply planed swing or an out and around swing the needs backed up to the inside.

 

[Erik_K]

One might also want to remember that the "end users" are the ones who frequent this site the most. If you start using complex language and terms all over the place, get ready to see a lot less internet traffic here at this site.

I am a scientist and at times I wear my "science hat" where integrals, complex terms, and the scientific method rule the day and conversation. However, when I see the customer or sponsor I absolutely must tone down the language and present findings, problems, concerns, data in easily digestible chunks. Your audience dictates the language, not the other way around.

There's no reason why something as complicated as the swing can't be broken into layman's terms. Precise and complicated jargon has it's place within peer reviewed journals, Anti-Summits, and so on.

For me "spider man hands" is a lot easier to visualize vs the correct bio-mechanically equivalent term.

Erik

 

[Mike Richardson]

One might also want to remember that the "end users" are the ones who frequent this site the most. If you start using complex language and terms all over the place, get ready to see a lot less internet traffic here at this site.

There's no reason why something as complicated as the swing can't be broken into layman's terms. Precise and complicated jargon has it's place within peer reviewed journals, Anti-Summits, and so on.

For me "spider man hands" is a lot easier to visualize vs the correct bio-mechanically equivalent term.

I think the USP of this site is that it has both, along with a load of "feeels" and swing thoughts that non instructor golfers post. That mix can cater for a wide variety of end users.

 

[puttmaster]

Back to golf terminology...Kevin mentioned many times about getting on top of the sweet spot. He was nice enough to help me out via PM, but I accidentally erased it. Anybody help me out with this little beauty....?

+1
'Getting on top of the sweet spot' sounds like something we all should be striving to do ...

 

[lia41985]

Here are a few terms (in maroon) with definitions from a post I made elsewhere:

agree, but it is really more about hand control (which controls the face). So my question is, " Will the karate chop with the right hand keep it from getting under at the beginning of the DS?"

If I could offer a suggestion. Check out this video of Gary Player: <iframe width="420" height="315" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/vMzCi1RmNX0" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>
Watch his left hand. The back of the left hand, if you were to draw a straight line across it, that line never gets anything close to 180 degres parallel with the sky. Imagine cutting off your arm and laying it with palm down on top of a table or desk. Gruesome but illustrative. That's what I'm talking about. The left hand never gets like that. From a position at the top of the swing that's very "in" (on a vertical line drawn nearly vertical with Player's heel line i.e. perpendicular to the angle of the ground), Player supinates the left arm (and palmar flexes the left hand twisting/gamma-ing) on a line that stays fairly vertical (or in i.e. the opposite of what is termed an outward hand path), if you catch my drift. Hopefully the down the line view of these pictures convey what I'm attempting to communicate:

As his hands travel horizontally, from a down the line view, from his heel line to toe line (lines drawn perpendicular to the ground from the toes and heels, there's a substantial amount of supination of the left arm and on a fairly steep angle. Notice also how vertical the left arm is--this is left arm replacement:

Taken together, this leads to the EXACT OPPOSITE of a backed up shaft. See what Tiger's doing here:
<iframe src="http://player.vimeo.com/video/36869055" width="500" height="281" frameborder="0" webkitAllowFullScreen mozallowfullscreen allowFullScreen></iframe> <p><a href="http://vimeo.com/36869055">Tiger Tumble and Down-Toss Drill</a> from <a href="http://vimeo.com/user1093431">Brian Manzella</a> on <a href="http://vimeo.com">Vimeo</a>.</p>
As the title of the video states, this sets up a nice tumble (shaft steepens and face closes on a good path).

And remember, this is also occurring during the tangential phase of the swing sequence. This is the other view you need to take into account:
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Think behind you but not backed up. How f----n' counter intuitive is that? Golf's a hard game to learn to play, I'd submit, primarily because so much of it is this way. Watch when and where Rickie's right hand "turns down":
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This helps Rickie to rotate around the coupling point, rotate the handle (per ENSO), and execute a [COLOR="#80000"]free release[/COLOR] (in the flexion-extension plane): https://picasaweb.google.com/106612...CPr3tL7Lw_nRpwE#slideshow/5761019179083584274

For the golfer that maybe learned all of this as part of the out toss (whatever it takes for the teacher to convey to the student what needs to be done) I feel like it can really be a break through in offering some students a way to do it without thinking about it any more than that. The out toss is short hand for these simultaneously sequenced movements.