Collateral damage

[mandrin]

Yesterday I posted for the very first time on Yoda's site and it seemingly will be also the last - it got erased immediately. My post was however a very short, very simple and very polite question addressed to ThinkingPlus. Seemingly having posted on Brian’s site is all it takes to ban someone from their forum.

Since ThinkingPlus is the resident physic’s expert on Lynn’s site it is definitely worthwhile to look at the ideas being posted. In two succeeding posts by ThinkingPlus in the thread ‘Conservation of Angular Momentum’ (The Golfing Machine – Advanced) one can find:

Physics 101 answer
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Basically, since this is an elastic collision, momentum is not strictly conserved, but it is close enough for our purposes. You can also approximate Mclub with the mass of the clubhead alone since the impact interaction occurs over such a short time.

Newton's 1st Law
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Lag pressure maintained through impact will result in a collision that is more inelastic (less lossy) than if one had a clubhead moving with a constant velocity (my assertion, et al.).


In the first post it is clear that the clubhead is considered a free mass. (this is against TGM philosophy.) In the second post it is however just the opposite. An obvious and very clear contradiction in two adjacent posts.

Also in the first post it is stated that in an elastic collision momentum is not conserved. This is a gross error. Momentum is ALWAYS conserved, both in elastic and inelastic collisions.

Moreover in the second post it is stated that there is less loss in a more inelastic collision. This is a gross error. It is just the opposite. Kinetic energy is conserved in an elastic collision and is not in an inelastic collision.

For a golf forum where one is not shy to invoke science in support of their superiority over the rest of the golfing community it is somewhat strange that one is not even allowed to politely question their resident physic’s expert on the validity of their ideas.

Science is not the exclusive property of LynnBlakeGolf Form but is universal and normally open to questioning. Typical of the aseptic self congratulatory style of this particular forum where any discussion or controversy is not even allowed to take place.

 

[Tom Bartlett]

Yesterday I posted for the very first time on Yoda's site and it seemingly will be also the last - it got erased immediately.

For a golf forum where one is not shy to invoke science in support of their superiority over the rest of the golfing community it is somewhat strange that one is not even allowed to politely question their resident physic’s expert on the validity of their ideas.

Science is not the exclusive property of LynnBlakeGolf Form but is universal and normally open to questioning. Typical of the aseptic self congratulatory style of this particular forum where any discussion or controversy is not even allowed to take place.

Nothing new there.

 

[Brian Manzella]

Smart guys welcome here.

Mandrin and I don't always see "eye-to-eye."

But, he is a very bright guy, and he has never accused me of being a bully, bullied, low IQ, uneducated, meglomaniac or unloved.

And he never told my wife she "must be" uneducated to be with me.

So, Mandrin, you and REAL science always have a home right here on the best golf instruction forum on the web.

BrianManzella.com

 

[Biffer]

Their loss

Don't worry, mandrin. You're still my hero.

 

[birdie_man]

Sucks when that happens eh mandrin.

I like to post what I think too.

 

[bendet3]

It's rather ironic actually, when you think about it.

 

[mandrin]

Brian, keep on trucking

Mandrin and I don't always see "eye-to-eye."

But, he is a very bright guy, and he has never accused me of being a bully, bullied, low IQ, uneducated, meglomaniac or unloved.

And he never told my wife she "must be" uneducated to be with me.

So, Mandrin, you and REAL science always have a home right here on the best golf instruction forum on the web.

BrianManzella.com

Brian,

I do prefer a tumultuous cascading mountain stream over smooth stagnant water.

One refreshing and inspiring and the other... well we know what happens in the long run.


I feel that your attitude is to learn what can be learned but always and foremost let one’s own experience be the final judge.

Nothing is cast in stone, progress means questioning. Experience and experimentation always have priority over believe systems.

 

[Brian Manzella]

Mandrin.

Nothing is cast in stone, progress means questioning. Experience and experimentation always have priority over believe systems.

Spot on.

Sign me up.

 

[Loubert]

Scientific rigor

Spot on.

Sign me up.

Do you really mean this?

 

[Brian Manzella]

Do you really mean this?

Did I stutter?

 

[mandrin]

It's rather ironic actually, when you think about it.

bendet3,

Yes, it is indeed ironic that a method claiming to be on the cutting edge of science can’t tolerate even the commencement of some healthy scientific critique of any kind.

A critical attitude is the very essence of science. Having a fresh attitude, not anchored in the past, open to experimentation, is another necessary ingredient.

 

[kmmcnabb]

Science guys rejoice

One thing about posting here. Brian lets you sink or swim for the most part and seems to enjoy rather than discourage try discourse on golf (scientific and nonscientific).

I guess I will have to watch myself on Lynn's site now (being another science guy too).

Great site Brian. M, you are always welcome here. Some of your information is very, very informative even for a biologist like myself.

Kev

 

[bendet3]

Actually I meant that it was ironic that a couple of weeks ago Lynn came on this site "full guns a blazin'" apparently to defend his good name to..........us, the posters who go between the 2 sites (atleast that is what I assumed he was doing, otherwise why come to Brian's site and do that), and now he/they are shunning the same posters when they try to post there. Of course this is my own speculation and I have been wrong many times before. Your observation is also very valid Mandrin.

 

[dbl]

I will be curious about what happens over there. I go to LB's once every 3months or so, and probably haven't posted in a year. But here, when there have been some discussions between LB and BM and BM was right I'd post something supportive of BM. I bet if they harbor grudges then there's a chance a post from moi might also get treated with the delete key.

But I'm not going to find out TODAY, though.

Heck, I wouldn't have really expected that till seeing this thread. My thought would have been if you behave like a gentleman over there, then there'd be no reason to kill your posts or ban.

 

[rchang72]

What happens when EdZ, tongzilla or rundmc post here? Guys who post more at the "other site." They get questioned, "Are you trying to bust on Brian?" That it happens either here or at Lynn's place is really somewhat stomach churning.

I will say for the record that I have gotten more information that really helped me in my personal golf swing from Brian. So Brian, and others, I hope you don't think that I'm trying to downgrade anyone. (I'm pretty sure that Brian wouldn't think that).

If you look at run/bucket's posts in the other place, he basically posts questions to stir productive conversation. (with a few sidebars of humor) But the questions that he posts here are taken as veiled insults and threats.

Basically, I assume Brian has housecleaned out those who will not play by the rules. Can't we just call a complete armistice? Enough I'm suspicious of you, you suspicious of me attitude?

 

[self-mastery]

Who didn't see this war brewing two years ago???

 

[rchang72]

I was hoping after the last Lynn/Brian/Ben three day camp and him having to stay at Lynn's house during Katrina helped create detente.

 

[birdie_man]

What happens when EdZ, tongzilla or rundmc post here? Guys who post more at the "other site." They get questioned, "Are you trying to bust on Brian?" That it happens either here or at Lynn's place is really somewhat stomach churning.

I will say for the record that I have gotten more information that really helped me in my personal golf swing from Brian. So Brian, and others, I hope you don't think that I'm trying to downgrade anyone. (I'm pretty sure that Brian wouldn't think that).

If you look at run/bucket's posts in the other place, he basically posts questions to stir productive conversation. (with a few sidebars of humor) But the questions that he posts here are taken as veiled insults and threats.

Basically, I assume Brian has housecleaned out those who will not play by the rules. Can't we just call a complete armistice? Enough I'm suspicious of you, you suspicious of me attitude?

First of all....I'd like to hear Brian's response.

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And....

What I percieve (personally):

run - seems like a good dude....pretty damn funny (his mind works differently than most it seems lol)....like his posts in general....posts more at Lynn's prolly....has his own section there too....seems to have done most of his learning on Lynn's site....seems to be in his element there a little more and "in with those guys" a little more (was trying to think of the best way to put that....not sure if it came out right)....biased?....maybe a little bit? (trying to be honest here...not sarcastic)

EdZ - smart....lots of good posts.....seems to mostly think for himself.....doesn't get along with Brian or see eye to eye a lot....not sure if there's anything more behind that than that itself.

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Tong - sometimes is a bit of a $hit disturber wherever he goes.....lol....makes me laugh. (no?)

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Just my thoughts....not neccessarily 100% right or complete....just saying what I think.

 

[rundmc]

Deadman Walking.

First of all....I'd like to hear Brian's response.

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And....

What I percieve (personally):

run - seems like a good dude....pretty damn funny (his mind works differently than most it seems lol)....like his posts in general....posts more at Lynn's prolly....has his own section there too....seems to have done most of his learning on Lynn's site....seems to be in his element there a little more and "in with those guys" a little more (was trying to think of the best way to put that....not sure if it came out right)....biased?....maybe a little bit? (trying to be honest here...not sarcastic)

EdZ - smart....lots of good posts.....seems to mostly think for himself.....doesn't get along with Brian or see eye to eye a lot....not sure if there's anything more behind that than that itself.

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Tong - sometimes is a bit of a $hit disturber wherever he goes.....lol....makes me laugh. (no?)

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Just my thoughts....not neccessarily 100% right or complete....just saying what I think.

Mike O and I will be knocking on your door soon Canada Girl . . . when you least expect it . . .





EXPECT IT!!!!!

Hey Mikey . . . Which way is Canada . . .That's south of the Mississississippi ain't it? You got that new carborator on the Vega yet? I got some lawn mower gas I can steal from my grandmaw's house . . . she get's drunk around 7 watching re-runs of Rat Patrole . . . pick me up around 8 . . . don't forget the ski mask . . . and NOT THE ORANGE ONE! And take a freakin' bath first!

 

[birdie_man]

Bahahhaha.

And the alter-ego comes out....