Cool 3D Wrist Data of a multiple PGA tour winner

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Brian Manzella

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You have two choices—1. PGA TOUR WINNER 3D data (anonymously) or 2. No PGA Tour player data.

The players and the teachers don't put this stuff out because it really is nobody's business.

I'll post some pics of the avatar form angles (I can rotate the avatar any way I wish) that shows pertinent positional info, but nobody will be able to figure out who it is.
 

lia41985

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Brian,

I agree that these measurements are important. However, I'd add that they can be more usefully interpreted through recognition of how different players, with different values (i.e. rates), for different body parts have the measurements they do because they have to match their components in a particular way (i.e. individual to them) to play golf well.

Does that make sense?

In that way, "averages" may be misleading. Ranges may be much more helpful.

Let's say what works anatomically for one golfer, in say producing good Trackman numbers, is then measured by looking at a certain body part. Turning around and using that measurement as a benchmark for the wrong golfer may not work very well. What do you think?

I'm not trying to bite the hand that feeds me or anything. I'm just asking a question and get some understanding, honestly.

Thanks.
 
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There are no commonalities in one example. You need to put up more examples IMHO.

This is why the TPI stuff is so utterly unimpressive to me. Their ridiculous presentation style is also a big turn off for me. They spout out graphs of unknown players, probably the ones which look prettiest and therefore can be used to convince Joe Dumb and Jack Dumber of a theory that can make them some dosh. Not saying the theory is wrong or right, just that it has no real scientific basis because no one has ever tried earnestly to prove it wrong.
 

Dariusz J.

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Hey Dariusz,

Somewhere along the way I wronged you terribly. I am so sorry for it. Also, wanted to just say how much I respect your comment. I think the player's identity is an important factor in how the data should be processed and from that what lessons will be taught. Because we're all unique and assemble components in our own way (more than just grip, stance, etc.) we will also move our bodies in different ways. And this isn't a one way flow of influence. No doubt Ben Hogan possessed certain inherent physical/athletic attributes that allowed him to use his body during the swing as he did. Sinewy comes to mind. I wonder if we had a sample of his fascia what it would have revealed :)

Basically, people, we are dealing with Spiderman. And he's good with clubs, too.

Again, sorry. I really thought that most of the time I was just teasing you a little and it'd be obvious...no doubt I went overboard at least once. So sorry.

No problem, mate. I would like to apologize to you as well for too harsh responses. I posted so many stupid messages and used even more stupid words on various fora that it would be sadly ridiculous if I couldn't forget almost immediately that someone said something wrong to me and gladly accept apologies.

Cheers
 
I see a lot of complaints about receiving info you couldn't buy anywhere else. Not to mention, Brian always backs it up and we're all a little smarter afterwards! Thanks and keep it coming!!
 

lia41985

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That is becoming really interesting and says the swing could be great. At least it seems the pivot is great (open body + EP).

Cheers
Dearest Dariusz,

Seems, indeed. :)

I'll never doubt the proficiency of your English again. That was perfect usage.

What I and probably Brian would say is that a less open, non-elbow, turned shoulder planar like Nicklaus's body "numbers" would be good for the way he uses his body to apply the club (shaft, face, and all) to the ball. The way to get Dariusz to play his best golf would be to get the best numbers for him, not Hogan. I sincerely believe that and wish you in your life and your golf the best, sir.
 
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lia41985

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I see a lot of complaints about receiving info you couldn't buy anywhere else. Not to mention, Brian always backs it up and we're all a little smarter afterwards! Thanks and keep it coming!!
Analyzing the information and being careful in coming to conclusions isn't complaining it's explaining.
 

lia41985

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I'd agree with you if we were talking application, sir. That's a point I didn't make in my last post, however.
 
You have two choices—1. PGA TOUR WINNER 3D data (anonymously) or 2. No PGA Tour player data.

The players and the teachers don't put this stuff out because it really is nobody's business.

I'll post some pics of the avatar form angles (I can rotate the avatar any way I wish) that shows pertinent positional info, but nobody will be able to figure out who it is.

Unfortunately, some less than stellar posts derailed this thread...

I would love to see the avatar from a few different angles (any way you wish;) ) if you get a chance. Thanks a bunch either way.
 
The teacher of a multiple winner and current player on the PGA Tour was nice enough to send me this data.

No discussion of, guessing out loud, or any such thing about who this might be. Posts will be deleted. Data like this is very hard to come by of current players.

Since we discuss the forces and torques that I teach as per our great friend Dr. Nesbit, I though it would be instructive and cool to have the 3d of an actual star golfer who is an exceptional ball striker's trail and lead wrists 3D.

Enjoy!

I know it is but im not sure why this is so hard to come by. I can understand not releasing the name of the player or coach. This shouldn't be a secret society. I have multiple tour players data and have asked them permission to share with others. None have ever had any issues.
 
I'm choosing option #1 (PGA tour winner 3D data anonymously)

If you prefer option #2 (no data) you really shouldn't bother with this thread.

He's made it very clear that he is not going to leak the name and compromise the trust of this player, whomever it may be.

If this is a big deal, simply create a new thread about why it is a big deal, but why kill this thread (again) giving Brian a reason to not release the pictures at all. I'm sure there are others out there (I hope) who would appreciate seeing these pictures alongside the data already provided.
 

Kevin Shields

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I know it is but im not sure why this is so hard to come by. I can understand not releasing the name of the player or coach. This shouldn't be a secret society. I have multiple tour players data and have asked them permission to share with others. None have ever had any issues.

Please share!
 
Interesting info - seems to me nobody should ever mention the word 'frozen' in relation to the wrist if they want to be taken seriously.

Don't think you need to know which golfer it is. Surely the takeaway is that the wrists are very active through impact, and peak just after.

You CANNOT imply this golfer is a "flipper" without something to compare the data too.

As for the stuff in this thread about the ID of the golfer....you can lead the horse to water, but you can't make it drink.

Re; The personal stuff, having to skim through this wastes everyone's time. DM? Separate thread?
 
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From the diagrams the lead forearm continues to rotate open from the top which ties in with flattening the shaft. But the trail forearm doesn't appear to rotate open more from the top. How do you rotate one arm and not the other?
 
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