Couples and Toms

[mcflog]

Brian

If Couples didn't set up 30 degrees left of target how close would his and David's swings be to each other.

Thanks

 

[jeffy]

quote:Originally posted by mcflog

Brian

If Couples didn't set up 30 degrees left of target how close would his and David's swings be to each other.

Thanks

My $0.02:

Not very: in Hardy terms, Couples is a one-plane swing with a flying right elbow; Toms is two-plane. Each illustrate the different fundamentals that characterize the respective swing types, as laid out by Hardy. I'll let Brian describe the differences in TGM terms.

Looking at the swing sequences on the GD site, from the front, Couples' spine is centered and vertical; Toms sets a bit tilted away from the target. Couples stays centered and vertical and even appears to lean a little left at the top; Toms shifts some weight to his right and visibly tilts away from the target. On the downswing, Couples moves very swiftly to the left (dragging the right foot toward the target), pulls his arms in and downcocks ("float loads" in TGM terms); Toms keeps his arms extended, does not increase his wrist cock and has more weight on his right foot at impact. Couples finishes all the way around with his right shoulder pointing at the target; Toms faces the target more at the finish.

Down the line, Couples sets up more bent over and turns his shoulders on a steeper plane than the more erect Toms. Starting down the two are dramatically different as Couples shifts to a flatter plane during the downswing while Toms stays on the same plane from the top to impact. After impact, Couples' clubhead moves left much quicker than Toms and reappears at chest high on the through swing whereas Toms' clubhead reappears at about shoulder height, due to the steeper plane he maintains throughout his swing. Couples right arm reappears right at the left shoulder (arms and shoulders on same plane at this point = one-plane), whereas Toms' right arm reappears above the left shoulder at a steeper angle to the ground (arms and shoulders on different planes = two-plane). Totally different swings.

 

[Lisa Manzella]

I disagee nearly 100%

 

[DDL]

Does Annika swing like those two?

 

[jeffy]

quote:Originally posted by lmanzella

I disagee nearly 100%

What does that mean? Their swings are nearly 100% the same? You must be kidding. Look at the swing sequences. Please identify where I am mistaken. As near as I can tell, EVERYTHING I said concerning the relative positions of their swings is factual. To not post any specifics is truly lame, but typical.

 

[jeffy]

quote:Originally posted by DDL

Does Annika swing like those two?

Annika's is a one-planer: hers is a "double-shift" swing in TGM terms. Closer to Couples than Toms (Annika's and Freddy's backswings are totally different, but their set-ups, postures, weight shifts, downswings, finish are similar). Karrie Webb, a two-planer, is more similar to Toms.