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Check out the 108th US Amateur Champion’s flat foot pivot. You can see video of it on the golf channel. The youngest men’s amateur champion ever! Madrin check out his up move through impact! Played the last 8 holes 6 under par!!!
 
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Asian kid, grew up in New Zeland. Had no idea Michael Campbell won the US Open at Pinehurst (same course he was playing). Very demanding mother (teaching pro); practices a minimum of 40 hours a week.

The First Tee Program is doing a great job promoting "character development" , how about we get a program to teach some American kids how to swing the club and putt like Danny Lee. 3 out of last 4 US AM's won by non-US players. We'd better hurry up and do something before the next WGC match play event is Tiger, 3 other Americans and 60 International players.
 
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Americans, for the most part are really soft.

As a coach, I get to see more than my fair share. Parents, for the most part do not want you to be hard on their "precious" and the parents that do demand a little excellence from their kids are deemed "psycho" and the second coming of Todd Marinovich's dad or Sean O'Hair's dad, which is totally not the case, they just want their kids to push themselves to do well. You can demand of kids without being a nutcase, IMO.

I agree with the above post, too many programs teaching "character", but it is the wrong kind of character, it is not the character of toughness, but of being a nice guy. The quote "nice guys finish last" was created for a reason, because, really it's true.

Please don't take me out of context, I think character of honesty and integrity and toughness is important, IOW, being a stand up person, but what kids are taught from an early age now is to be a pushover, and that is sad.

Sorry for the rant.
 
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glcoach said:
Americans, for the most part are really soft.

As a coach, I get to see more than my fair share. Parents, for the most part do not want you to be hard on their "precious" and the parents that do demand a little excellence from their kids are deemed "psycho" and the second coming of Todd Marinovich's dad or Sean O'Hair's dad, which is totally not the case, they just want their kids to push themselves to do well. You can demand of kids without being a nutcase, IMO.

I agree with the above post, too many programs teaching "character", but it is the wrong kind of character, it is not the character of toughness, but of being a nice guy. The quote "nice guys finish last" was created for a reason, because, really it's true.

Please don't take me out of context, I think character of honesty and integrity and toughness is important, IOW, being a stand up person, but what kids are taught from an early age now is to be a pushover, and that is sad.

Sorry for the rant.
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I agree 100% We are becoming a nation of wimps and whiners.
 
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glcoach said:
Americans, for the most part are really soft.

As a coach, I get to see more than my fair share. Parents, for the most part do not want you to be hard on their "precious" and the parents that do demand a little excellence from their kids are deemed "psycho" and the second coming of Todd Marinovich's dad or Sean O'Hair's dad, which is totally not the case, they just want their kids to push themselves to do well. You can demand of kids without being a nutcase, IMO.

I agree with the above post, too many programs teaching "character", but it is the wrong kind of character, it is not the character of toughness, but of being a nice guy. The quote "nice guys finish last" was created for a reason, because, really it's true.

Please don't take me out of context, I think character of honesty and integrity and toughness is important, IOW, being a stand up person, but what kids are taught from an early age now is to be a pushover, and that is sad.

Sorry for the rant.
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I agree. This is going to be a bone of contention in my house when my kids get to be "sporting age". The first time a coach yells at one of her babies, she'll need to be restrained. It's hard for people who aren't a part of sporting culture to understand it.

That said, I think it's also a reflection on the culture at large. This new-age parenting stuff drives me insane. Everybody wants to be their children's best buddy. They have plenty of those already. Be a parent. You won't break them. They aren't porcelain dolls. You can be a loving parent without being a punk.
 
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glcoach said:
Americans, for the most part are really soft.

As a coach, I get to see more than my fair share. Parents, for the most part do not want you to be hard on their "precious" and the parents that do demand a little excellence from their kids are deemed "psycho" and the second coming of Todd Marinovich's dad or Sean O'Hair's dad, which is totally not the case, they just want their kids to push themselves to do well. You can demand of kids without being a nutcase, IMO.

I agree with the above post, too many programs teaching "character", but it is the wrong kind of character, it is not the character of toughness, but of being a nice guy. The quote "nice guys finish last" was created for a reason, because, really it's true.

Please don't take me out of context, I think character of honesty and integrity and toughness is important, IOW, being a stand up person, but what kids are taught from an early age now is to be a pushover, and that is sad.

Sorry for the rant.
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It was a great rant because it's spot on.
 
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glcoach said:
You can demand of kids without being a nutcase, IMO.
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I think "encourage" might be a better word...:)

Its a bit like training dogs...if you demand obedience from a dog, he may well be the best behaved dog around, but underneath, he'll always and forever hate you for it.....

And you don't want your kids to hate you, do you?......
 
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I dont agree... for a few reasons.

One, you shouldn't force a kid to do anything, as far as ambitions go. If he likes it (golf, football, acting whatever the ambition is) encourage him, nourish the passion, dont turn it into a chore, and work...

Two, there are going to be kids who will work for it, with encouragement.... no matter what contenant they happen to reside upon, Im tired of this lame "lazy American parents" excuse... Go tell that to Michael Phelps (who's mom looks like a sweet heart, not someone with psycho soccer mom attention whore syndrome)... I think the real problem, are the parents who FORCE their children to make them sports, movie, what have you, stars. Its not healthy, and they are in every country in the world. Thats why china have "16 year old" gymnasts with baby teeth falling out...
 
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glcoach said:
I agree with the above post, too many programs teaching "character", but it is the wrong kind of character, it is not the character of toughness, but of being a nice guy. The quote "nice guys finish last" was created for a reason, because, really it's true.
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Toughness and being a nice guy really have nothing to do with one another, so this makes absolutely no sense. Danny Lee is as nice a guy as you will ever run across. As a matter of fact you pretty much have it exactly wrong in this regard but it actually makes sense with your previous paragraph which I agree with. Meaning, kids who are pampered like little wusses are usually not nice at all, they are selfish a-holes. Nice guys finish last is only true in the regard that cheating and selfishness sometimes works. Working hard and being tough will usually make someone a "nice guy" because it means they aren't concerned with typical bs, although there are many exceptions to this.
 
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Chris Sturgess said:
Toughness and being a nice guy really have nothing to do with one another, so this makes absolutely no sense. Danny Lee is as nice a guy as you will ever run across. As a matter of fact you pretty much have it exactly wrong in this regard but it actually makes sense with your previous paragraph which I agree with. Meaning, kids who are pampered like little wusses are usually not nice at all, they are selfish a-holes. Nice guys finish last is only true in the regard that cheating and selfishness sometimes works. Working hard and being tough will usually make someone a "nice guy" because it means they aren't concerned with typical bs, although there are many exceptions to this.
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touch != bully.

It does not compute. i lol'd.
 
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The problem is that people are reluctant to teach kids how to lose properly. You have to teach your kids the philosophy of, if you leave it all out on the field every time you practice and compete, you'll never lose. This doesn't mean that one should lie, cheat, and steal, however. You can still instill ethics into kids and have them become great competitors.

What's happened is that we've become too concerned with making sure everyone feels like a winner.
 
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Jared Willerson

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I reminded the detractors in my original post to not take what I said out of context.....Inevitably that is what happened.

Do I want kids to lie, cheat, steal, do anything to win....hell no. Do I not want kids to be nice to one another....again, hell no.

I was talking about parents, who let their kids quit if they don't like something after one practice. Play the whole season at least, but quitting, unless you are being abused, shouldn't be the accepted operating procedure. There are many instances of parents who didn't let their kids quit and were talked about like they were the anti-christ by the rest of the soccer moms.

Yeah, encourage, may be a better word..sorry for the semantical error puttmad, I would never treat any kid or human being like a dog and your insinuation that I would is not fair.. I demand excellence in my classroom....in an encouraging, non-threatening manner, but students still know I demand good work......and get this, pretty much all the students think my class is one of the best they take because of how my class is ran....I put in a lot of effort to be a good teacher, if they don't get a concept, IT IS MY FAULT. Which is why I think Brian is one of the best.


Earl Woods is the model for combining encouragement with a demand for excellence. Lee's mom is tough on her son. Phelps' mom was fairly tough on her son. They seem to be good kids and the better for it. JMO
 
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Spectacular golf in the US Amateur. Both guys were great in the final.

Let's hope Michelle Wie serves as a cautionary tale for those up-and-coming players who think they need a celeb swing coach to take them to the next level. Danny should stick with his mom as his swing coach.
 
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puttmad

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glcoach said:
Yeah, encourage, may be a better word..sorry for the semantical error puttmad, I would never treat any kid or human being like a dog and your insinuation that I would is not fair..
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That's not what I meant GL...it was more, "you want your best friend to remain your best friend," kid or dog......not become alienated from you....
 
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Jared Willerson

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I made some assumptions in my original post. I assumed everyone would know that there are limits....to everything. I forgot most people take what is written to the most extreme level.

I am guilty of the above as much as anyone.

It has made me wonder why, in America, with all of our fancy Leadbetter academies and what not, we aren't churning out much better players.

Agree with niblick's post.
 
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