David Toms' Sept. Golf Digest Article
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birdie_man
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I don't see any similarities to "Flipper" in that article...if that's the one.
Brian Manzella
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Typical GD article.
rchang72
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The link doesn't have the swing sequence. The pertinent captions say "My body rotation toward the target pulls the club down" and "My hands lead the clubhead through the ball" then "I release the club by turning my body and swinging my arms, not by flipping my hands" Isn't this the essence of "Confessions?" Let the pivot power and drag the club with your hands forward?
What kills me are the comments from the "We Tried It" part. Their comments really tell you that they got some incomplete instruction. "You have to put the ball way back in your stance"... well yes, if they didn't explain aiming point! "You have to really stay down and follow through. I'd need a lot of range time to get it" says the 9-handicapper. I'm not sure, but "Confessions" was great for me in the essence of what it teaches is so profound, but so simple. An almost "AHA, why was I so stupid to do this any other way?" I'm no sure, but a flat left wrist pitch shot is easier to accomplish than flipping the hands, because it's more consistent in the geometry of you your impact.
I'm glad that I didn't renew my subscriptions to either Golf or GD. Just give me my yellow book and some TGMers and I'm happy as a clam.
What kills me are the comments from the "We Tried It" part. Their comments really tell you that they got some incomplete instruction. "You have to put the ball way back in your stance"... well yes, if they didn't explain aiming point! "You have to really stay down and follow through. I'd need a lot of range time to get it" says the 9-handicapper. I'm not sure, but "Confessions" was great for me in the essence of what it teaches is so profound, but so simple. An almost "AHA, why was I so stupid to do this any other way?" I'm no sure, but a flat left wrist pitch shot is easier to accomplish than flipping the hands, because it's more consistent in the geometry of you your impact.
I'm glad that I didn't renew my subscriptions to either Golf or GD. Just give me my yellow book and some TGMers and I'm happy as a clam.
birdie_man
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Hahaha right on...
you speaketh the truth brethren!
you speaketh the truth brethren!
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Brian Manzella
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I read it every month....sorta like therapy.
It reminds me how far out in front I am
It reminds me how far out in front I am
rchang72- there was no swing sequence in the magazine either. Single pictures over four pages.
TGM got me to stop reading the mags regularly too. I got tired of yelling at the caption writers- lol.
And don't think this lack of buying the magazines isn't a reason TGM is outcasted form the mainstream press either.
TGM got me to stop reading the mags regularly too. I got tired of yelling at the caption writers- lol.
And don't think this lack of buying the magazines isn't a reason TGM is outcasted form the mainstream press either.
Playa_Brian
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or is it because:
-TGM followers are focused on a leader to whom members seem to display unquestioning commitment.
-TGM has its own language
-the followers believe that their TGM knowledge is superior to what is out there (us vs them mentality). And some of the instructors say that they have a goal to save all the uneducated golfers out there.
-TGM has their own degree programs which are meaningless in the "real" golf world.
Playa_Brian
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There are interesting things to learn about golf through TGM, but...
Masters or a doctorate of golf stroke engineering?
Come on!!!
There are too many cult-like features in TGM that would turn off a rational magazine editor.
They would need to have a great swinger out there supporting it. even then, TGM would still have a problem with the things listed above.
Masters or a doctorate of golf stroke engineering?
Come on!!!
There are too many cult-like features in TGM that would turn off a rational magazine editor.
They would need to have a great swinger out there supporting it. even then, TGM would still have a problem with the things listed above.
Brian Manzella
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Playa....how ya doin....
You have questions/comments....I have answers/responses...
You Say: "TGM followers are focused on a leader to whom members seem to display unquestioning commitment."
I say: "You must be kidding, right? TGM has many factions and if the one leader you are refering to is me, than your mere presence—along with that of many other detractors who attempt to torment me on my own site, but are left to freely make statements like you often do—proves you comment wrong when it comes to me. If you want real zealots, talk to a Leadbetter disciple.
You say: "TGM has its own language."
I say: Yup, so does Haney (parallel planes), Leadbetter (link1, link 2) and, oh yeah, me (twistaway).
You say: "The followers believe that their TGM knowledge is superior to what is out there (us vs them mentality).
I say: Sounds like any real college football fan.
You say: "And some of the instructors say that they have a goal to save all the uneducated golfers out there."
I say: Yup. As many as possible. I want to be #1 and be 'seen as' #1 in my field. So does Tiger and any other good CEO
You say: "TGM has their own degree programs which are meaningless in the "real" golf world."
I say: No more meaningless than my PGA 'degree' which, although I have had it for 16 years, has never, ever been the REASON why someone took a lesson from me. But, my GSED HAS been a reason.
Thanks for your continued support[8D]
You have questions/comments....I have answers/responses...
You Say: "TGM followers are focused on a leader to whom members seem to display unquestioning commitment."
I say: "You must be kidding, right? TGM has many factions and if the one leader you are refering to is me, than your mere presence—along with that of many other detractors who attempt to torment me on my own site, but are left to freely make statements like you often do—proves you comment wrong when it comes to me. If you want real zealots, talk to a Leadbetter disciple.
You say: "TGM has its own language."
I say: Yup, so does Haney (parallel planes), Leadbetter (link1, link 2) and, oh yeah, me (twistaway).
You say: "The followers believe that their TGM knowledge is superior to what is out there (us vs them mentality).
I say: Sounds like any real college football fan.
You say: "And some of the instructors say that they have a goal to save all the uneducated golfers out there."
I say: Yup. As many as possible. I want to be #1 and be 'seen as' #1 in my field. So does Tiger and any other good CEO
You say: "TGM has their own degree programs which are meaningless in the "real" golf world."
I say: No more meaningless than my PGA 'degree' which, although I have had it for 16 years, has never, ever been the REASON why someone took a lesson from me. But, my GSED HAS been a reason.
Thanks for your continued support
[8D]quote:Originally posted by brianman
Playa....how ya doin....
You have questions/comments....I have answers/responses...
You Say: "TGM followers are focused on a leader to whom members seem to display unquestioning commitment."
I say: "You must be kidding, right? TGM has many factions and if the one leader you are refering to is me, than your mere presence—along with that of many other detractors who attempt to torment me on my own site, but are left to freely make statements like you often do—proves you comment wrong when it comes to me. If you want real zealots, talk to a Leadbetter disciple.
You say: "TGM has its own language."
I say: Yup, so does Haney (parallel planes), Leadbetter (link1, link 2) and, oh yeah, me (twistaway).
You say: "The followers believe that their TGM knowledge is superior to what is out there (us vs them mentality).
I say: Sounds like any real college football fan.
You say: "And some of the instructors say that they have a goal to save all the uneducated golfers out there."
I say: Yup. As many as possible. I want to be #1 and be 'seen as' #1 in my field. So does Tiger and any other good CEO
You say: "TGM has their own degree programs which are meaningless in the "real" golf world."
I say: No more meaningless than my PGA 'degree' which, although I have had it for 16 years, has never, ever been the REASON why someone took a lesson from me. But, my GSED HAS been a reason.
Thanks for your continued support
Good answers Master, ooops I mean Brian.
I see you do notice that TGM is superior. We are called a cult and Nazis on other forums. Knowleadge needs no degree. Helping uneducated golfers is a noble thing. Far better than ridicule.
TGM language is English that can be translated into any world language. The problem is not the with the language or terms, but with the reader of the book who gives up. I didn't have an easy time with it but saw the value to stick with it and seek some help.
Others call us cults, nazis, etc, my friends call me good. I guess we are a threat to many who see their faults through us.
rchang72
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TGM is not for those who want quick fixes. It is a special jargon, that is chosen because it is exact. There are very in-depth analyses that are not for those who want to just know how it feels. Would this stuff be necessary for the average golfer? Probably not. However if you want the most precision, you would go into the most depth.
Golf Digest, etc. is to golf what say health magazines are to medicine or Car and Driver is to automotives. There are good items and new info in these magazines, and reading their articles will probably help out your health. But no one would ever believe that your doctor can practice medicine from the info in these magazines. That would require journals like the New England Journal with its specialized jargon and detail that really give the facts for the science of medicine. The health magazines try to simplify the facts so that it hits the lowest common denominator of its readers and can be read in about 5 minutes.
TGM is a rather complete and detailed explanation of the golf swing. The whole of it probably wouldn't translate well into mainstream press, because it is that complex and requires "incubation" which just doesn't sell issues.
Golf Digest, etc. is to golf what say health magazines are to medicine or Car and Driver is to automotives. There are good items and new info in these magazines, and reading their articles will probably help out your health. But no one would ever believe that your doctor can practice medicine from the info in these magazines. That would require journals like the New England Journal with its specialized jargon and detail that really give the facts for the science of medicine. The health magazines try to simplify the facts so that it hits the lowest common denominator of its readers and can be read in about 5 minutes.
TGM is a rather complete and detailed explanation of the golf swing. The whole of it probably wouldn't translate well into mainstream press, because it is that complex and requires "incubation" which just doesn't sell issues.
birdie_man
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I think TGM is good if you want to go for "it all"...a balance between GD quick/useless "fixes" and TGM's technicality would prolly be bang on for most people...
...that's taking into account both readability (some ppl give up on TGM no matter how good it is) and the actual usefulness of the instruction.
...that's taking into account both readability (some ppl give up on TGM no matter how good it is) and the actual usefulness of the instruction.
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