downswing sequence
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shootin4par
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so before we get to the top we bump the hips forward a little which drops the arms and adds some loading, like garcia, but not that extreme. this allows the arms to "fall" drop into the slot, then the hips start to unwind and that is when the acceleration really starts to occur. If the first move down occurs as an unwinding of the hips then what happens is rotation starts prematurely and the arms are left too high up and no extra lag angle has been created. so by bumping forward the shoulders will not react much, except fot the right shoulder dropping which also drops the arms, is this explanation close?
Jim Kobylinski
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1) You SHOW THEM VISUALLY where their hands need to be. Because of the angle of your eyes at address, the illusion is that they are over the left foot as brian says in his video. But in reality the real angle is just slightly foward. That's the first thing i do with everyone who has a problem with solid compression. I get rid of the illusions.
2) Put a ball about 4-5" in front of the ball you're going to hit. Position it 3-4" away from the ball on a parallel target line. Then AIM YOUR HANDS at that point. Don't worry about the clubhead
3) You need to learn extenstion through the ball (getting to both arms straight) to avoid the flip at the last second or trying to yank the club back inside. I do this by placing a tee in the ground about 3-4" in front of the ball but i position it at about "10 o'clock." Then just try to strike the tee through impact/divot. If you are practicing on matts, use a penny. Bring a lot too, cuz you'll lose them LOL
scripkilla
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I am posting to the original question...so forgive me if it's repeating another thread comment. Up until recently, I've had a hard time with the shoulders rotating too aggressively in the beginning of the downswing - result...hook/draw and most recetly a push. What has worked tremendously well for me is to feel as though my shoulders (righty) are held in the fully rotated position for as long as possible during the downswing. My sequence is:
(from top of BS)
1. keep hands passive but "alive"
2. lateral shift with lower body toward target (just enough to shift weight)
- at the same time, let your hands drop straight down. The lateral shift makes this move natural and effortless. Your arms can do this while your shoulders are fully rotated.
3. Once you feel the weight is shifted, rotate the hips toward the target. Your left shoulder will start moving out of your peripheral vision to the left, but resist the urge to "release them". In fact, the shoulders shouldn't "release" until at or slightly after impact to aid in a good follow-thru Your hands continue their inside approach to the ball all the while...
4. The club is square so long as you keep your shoulders as stationary as possible. Again, they'll be rotating, but you want to try and keep them stationary...this produces good leverage and the grounded effect in your feet.
5. At impact, you should feel a stretch along the lower left adominal area and also in the left upper leg area (quad). If you don't feel this, you may have made too large a lateral shift initially. The stretch is dubbed "hitting into a firm left side" or "hitting against the wall". It's crucial that your hips not shift too much toward the target prior to rotation, for if you do you're deminishing the power and leverage all the other positions in the sequence strived for.
Keeping the shoulders as stationary as possible during the downswing causes your left shoulder to rise almost straight upward and then eventually toward the left and keeps your head behind the ball.
hope this helps!
(from top of BS)
1. keep hands passive but "alive"
2. lateral shift with lower body toward target (just enough to shift weight)
- at the same time, let your hands drop straight down. The lateral shift makes this move natural and effortless. Your arms can do this while your shoulders are fully rotated.
3. Once you feel the weight is shifted, rotate the hips toward the target. Your left shoulder will start moving out of your peripheral vision to the left, but resist the urge to "release them". In fact, the shoulders shouldn't "release" until at or slightly after impact to aid in a good follow-thru Your hands continue their inside approach to the ball all the while...
4. The club is square so long as you keep your shoulders as stationary as possible. Again, they'll be rotating, but you want to try and keep them stationary...this produces good leverage and the grounded effect in your feet.
5. At impact, you should feel a stretch along the lower left adominal area and also in the left upper leg area (quad). If you don't feel this, you may have made too large a lateral shift initially. The stretch is dubbed "hitting into a firm left side" or "hitting against the wall". It's crucial that your hips not shift too much toward the target prior to rotation, for if you do you're deminishing the power and leverage all the other positions in the sequence strived for.
Keeping the shoulders as stationary as possible during the downswing causes your left shoulder to rise almost straight upward and then eventually toward the left and keeps your head behind the ball.
hope this helps!
shootin4par
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thanks for the effort scrip. As of right now I have very little in the way of questions because my swing has been found. What I will say in your response is this. To think of BUMBPING the hips forward would be a swing killer to me. if the backswing is loaded up correctly, where the hips have "bumped" back, then once you allow the release of the lower body when the club gets near the top of the back swing, the "bump" forward should be an automatic move. To think bump, drop, turn, too much. I get to the top and just fire the hips and get extension down at the ball.
scripkilla
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I think the "bump" or lateral shift is a term some "get" and some don't. If you don't get it, like I did for quite a while, you overcook the idea and see it as an isolated body motion instead of a dynamic part of the hip rotation. To be more clear then, what I mean is that your lower body has to be shifted toward the target (I don't like the word "bump either, because that makes it sound like some quick jerky motion). If you didn't do this at the same time you started moving you arms down, you'd not be paving the route your arms need to appoach the ball from the inside (which is really straight, but feel inside in relation to the backswing club path). So, to that end I do agree Shootin/Vandal that perhaps bump or lateral shift is a bad term for most people.
shootin4par
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thanks for clearing up your words Scrip!!! It is hard to describe sometimes the diffence between what we need to happen, and what we try to do to make that happen. Hips bump, yes, try to do that, no. I read harmons book and he says bump the hips then turn, how much does he really know???
scripkilla
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Yup, for too long to admit, I was overcooking the idea of the bump. I was moving my hips laterally forward completely before even starting to rotate the hips. Too me, that seemed like what I was "suppose" to do via the descriptions so many present online or on paper. Then I began to focus on relaxing my muscles and trying to enjoy the dynamics of the swing. It's an athletic movement which, unforunately is all too often presented in the form of robotic blueprint. I am a firm believer that some things in the swing must be discovered on one's own before they can "unlock" further potential. The order in which these discoveries are made is unique to every individual.
Can we just swing the club? Supposingly it is all listed in the the mechanical check list. The Pivot will turn faster, if we want to swing the club harder; I suppose this is the different between Putt, chip, pitch and full swing. It is all about the intention of the shot, and the computer will program the body mechanic. Obviously both body and hands must be train.
shootin4par
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Anakin, I made this post two months ago but WOULD NOT make this post now. I have a much better understanding of what goes on now, that is why people may notice less questions from me now and more conversation. Some may say "what can you learn in a couple months" a lot when you talk with a very knowledgable person an average of an hour or more a day
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