Great video, Brian. Cleared up a lot of stuff, and also lead me to a question. In Tiger's early years on tour, he didn't have a lot of accumulator lag, and was one of the longest players on tour, at 160 pounds. In your experience, have you ever seen anyone who hit it farther with less accumulator lag than they did with more accumulator lag? Does more accumulator lag always mean more distance, all other factors being equal?
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birdie_man
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I like this one. Thanks B.
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vjcapron
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Delivery Paths
Delivery paths, in TGM terms, are the different paths that the HANDS could travel during the backswing and downswing.
If you watch slow motion video of golf swings at the face-on angle, and trace the path the hands take, you will notice that some swings take a more direct, straight-line path to the ball, and other swings will have the hands traveling a circular, arcing path to the ball.
On one end of the spectrum we have the "straight line delivery path." On the other end of the spectrum is the "circle delivery path". There are a couple of delivery paths that were defined by Homer Kelly that fall in between these two extremes, but hardly get any mention at all even though they are probably the most commonly used.
Someone that teaches a swing with a lot of width and a shallow angle of approach is really teaching a circle delivery path of the hands, as Brian mentioned in a previous post.
Coaches that teach a "maximum participation" type of pattern, like Ben Doyle's favorite pattern, usually teach a straight line delivery path of the hands.
The straight line delivery path usually goes hand-in-hand with a "snap" release. You'll often see reference to the "endless belt effect" that a straight line delivery path uses a "smaller pulley", and therefore generates more speed.
The circle delivery path usually is matched up with a sweep release.
Annika has a circle delivery path, she picks it cleanly, and is very accurate. She attempted to get longer by pumping iron, but it really didn't make a BIG difference because she didn't make her swing more efficient in terms of producing speed. The extra strength allowed her to use a longer shaft, which is how she increased her driving distance.
Bobby Clampett has a straight line delivery path and a snap release. Pound for pound, very very long.
Delivery paths, in TGM terms, are the different paths that the HANDS could travel during the backswing and downswing.
If you watch slow motion video of golf swings at the face-on angle, and trace the path the hands take, you will notice that some swings take a more direct, straight-line path to the ball, and other swings will have the hands traveling a circular, arcing path to the ball.
On one end of the spectrum we have the "straight line delivery path." On the other end of the spectrum is the "circle delivery path". There are a couple of delivery paths that were defined by Homer Kelly that fall in between these two extremes, but hardly get any mention at all even though they are probably the most commonly used.
Someone that teaches a swing with a lot of width and a shallow angle of approach is really teaching a circle delivery path of the hands, as Brian mentioned in a previous post.
Coaches that teach a "maximum participation" type of pattern, like Ben Doyle's favorite pattern, usually teach a straight line delivery path of the hands.
The straight line delivery path usually goes hand-in-hand with a "snap" release. You'll often see reference to the "endless belt effect" that a straight line delivery path uses a "smaller pulley", and therefore generates more speed.
The circle delivery path usually is matched up with a sweep release.
Annika has a circle delivery path, she picks it cleanly, and is very accurate. She attempted to get longer by pumping iron, but it really didn't make a BIG difference because she didn't make her swing more efficient in terms of producing speed. The extra strength allowed her to use a longer shaft, which is how she increased her driving distance.
Bobby Clampett has a straight line delivery path and a snap release. Pound for pound, very very long.
tbarbertab
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Great video Brian! ....not sure about your assistant though 
Tracy
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So if I am getting this right, the different deliverry paths are a resultant of whether your shoulders are "flat" at the top, or tilted, thus giving different circular patterns on the forward swing (relative to the neck axle?....
So if I am getting this right, the different deliverry paths are a resultant of whether your shoulders are "flat" at the top, or tilted, thus giving different circular patterns on the forward swing (relative to the neck axle?....
Brian, that video is what I was trying to say by leaving the clubhead behind, that establishes the lag pressure at the top...the ground up lag feel you are describing is something I discovered for myself about a week ago and is helping me a lot....nice to see it described well.
Now...question time...what drills do you have to help a player keep pivotting, so many people quit pivotting at the ball which makes them run out of right arm, flip it and pull it...me included at times...what drills/thoughts do you have to keep them/me driving through?
Now...question time...what drills do you have to help a player keep pivotting, so many people quit pivotting at the ball which makes them run out of right arm, flip it and pull it...me included at times...what drills/thoughts do you have to keep them/me driving through?
Brian Manzella
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Let me see if I have your question right...
Will "different shoulder lines" and "torso tilts" change—and (or) allow for—different delivery paths, pivot breaking, etc.?
Yup.
(How's that MORADers?)
Will "different shoulder lines" and "torso tilts" change—and (or) allow for—different delivery paths, pivot breaking, etc.?
Yup.
(How's that MORADers?)
Bill Miracle
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Jim,
In addition to Brian, you've been the 2nd greatest influence on my improvement. I would love to see some of your work. I hope you get time to do this video!
Thanks for everything
In addition to Brian, you've been the 2nd greatest influence on my improvement. I would love to see some of your work. I hope you get time to do this video!
Thanks for everything
Jim Kobylinski
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It's hard for me to do video because, gasp, i don't own a digi video camera. I have a digi camera that does video but it's going to be limited by the size of the card in it.
I'll see what i can get done this weekend.
Brian Manzella
Administrator
Hmmm....
Yes.
Does more accumulator lag always mean more distance, all other factors being equal?[/QUOTE]
Only if it doesn't slow your hand speed down a bunch.
Yes.
Does more accumulator lag always mean more distance, all other factors being equal?[/QUOTE]
Only if it doesn't slow your hand speed down a bunch.
Brian Manzella
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Actually, I think the FEEL would be MORE pronounced on the straighter lines.
But, the point is to "keep up with it" (The lag)...HOWEVER you can.
self-mastery
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Do most pure swingers use a circle path delivery?
I've recently experiment with a 'pure swinging' stroke that resulted in golf shots that were 20 yards shorter than my normal stroke that uses a straight line delivery path and major right arm participation.
I've recently experiment with a 'pure swinging' stroke that resulted in golf shots that were 20 yards shorter than my normal stroke that uses a straight line delivery path and major right arm participation.
No you can use a straight line delivery with swinging. As the swinging hips turn left the delivery becomes "arc of approach" versus no hip turn hitting "angle of approach". Even in swinging the right arm is always driving.
Brian Manzella
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"Pure Swinging"
"Brian, any 'Pure Swingers' on TOUR?"
I really don't think so.
You have to BOMB it out there.
"Brian, any 'Pure Swingers' on TOUR?"
I really don't think so.
You have to BOMB it out there.
birdie_man
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Very interesting.....
I've been skeptical of "pure hitting".....always thought "pure swinging" would be more do-able and/or optuimum. (err more optimum that is)
Tough to figure this hitting/swinging stuff it seems.....feel is not real I guess eh.
If I do a swing that feels like a pure swing.....I always wonder if I really am giving it a little extra at the bottom. It's hard to tell.
I've been skeptical of "pure hitting".....always thought "pure swinging" would be more do-able and/or optuimum. (err more optimum that is)
Tough to figure this hitting/swinging stuff it seems.....feel is not real I guess eh.
If I do a swing that feels like a pure swing.....I always wonder if I really am giving it a little extra at the bottom. It's hard to tell.
Burner
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I have always felt that whilst you can pull (swing) the club down to release point beyond that it has to be driven, right arm straightening, force applied behind the shaft (hit), through impact.
However, allowing this "hitting" element to dominate, and thus destroy, the "swing" has been a hindrance to my golfing development - I believe.
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Burner,
What if, instead, you used the same motion as a whip?
All the energy is put into the whip handle at the beginning of the action IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION for the intended result...After that the whip cracks with no further effort..
So if you try it with your golf swing...put the effort in early ON PLANE. The C/F created, with a little help from your pivot, will do the rest...
Burner,
What if, instead, you used the same motion as a whip?
All the energy is put into the whip handle at the beginning of the action IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION for the intended result...After that the whip cracks with no further effort..
So if you try it with your golf swing...put the effort in early ON PLANE. The C/F created, with a little help from your pivot, will do the rest...
johngolf33
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So would you call most guys on the tour 4 Barrel Swingers?
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