Drills for hands control pivot
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The Lag Pressure Point (generally #3) must be Loaded -- at The Top or during the Start Down -- before it can be Stored and Delivered Down Plane to Release (of the Power Accumulators, not of the Lag Pressure itself per 6-C-2-A). These actions are accomplished by the Pivot but are under the total alignment control of the Hands.
Heh.. I was asking a question really rwh. It seems everyone is avoiding the obvious which is outlined in the book. I was hoping to get some discussion on that point but it seems everyone has their own ideas on how to learn the hand education. Kind of concerning to me honestly. I have nothing against your own insights and discovery, but it seemed as if Homer himself was simply glossed over. 
by reading 6-c-2-a, i would understand that lag is loaded in the stressed shaft via the swingers sudden change in direction OR when you say during the start down, it would be the hitters application of thrust that loads the shaft. is this kee-rect?...
and at the end of 6-c-2-a, there is mention of maximum to minimum bend as the ball location is moved away from low point...could you clear this up a little? when i read the entire paragraph it seems as if homer speaks of the right wristbend going from maximum to minimum....huh?
I'm saying that the Hands precisely direct the Lag Pressure Down Plane and thus dictate total Component compliance with the required Stroke Geometry. However, they do not Power that Motion. In fact, there is no independent motion of either the Hands or the Arms until the requirements of the Pivot have been met (6-K-0) and the Release Triggered (10-20).
I'm confused by that response, it sounds like pivot control - body leads, hands follow? What you posted sounds more like "swinging as if you have no arms"?
I understand that the body must lead, from the ground up, but I guess the real question is where you 'feel' your intention/movement. I understand 'hands control' to be very similar to a pitcher throwing - the hands are the 'focus', and the body reacts. The 'mind is in the hands', the body reacts TO them, even though it supplies the power, there isn't any concious thought involved in the body motion, only in the hands and where you direct them, just as in the pitchers motion.
I understand that the body must lead, from the ground up, but I guess the real question is where you 'feel' your intention/movement. I understand 'hands control' to be very similar to a pitcher throwing - the hands are the 'focus', and the body reacts. The 'mind is in the hands', the body reacts TO them, even though it supplies the power, there isn't any concious thought involved in the body motion, only in the hands and where you direct them, just as in the pitchers motion.
I was a pitcher - in the pitching motion, the left leg is raised and the entire body is set in motion well before the arm starts forward. I never thought about my hand or the ball in it. The only thing I thought of was the aiming point - the catcher's mitt. The body motion is not a reaction to the moving arm, but a deliberate physical action which precedes it and into which the arm motion blends.
Throw your car keys to the floor.
Now, reach down to pick them up.
Did your Hand move in a straight line toward those keys? Yes! Did it control that motion? You bet! Did it power it? No. Did the Body and Arms respond in perfect coordination and balance to achieve the assignment of the Hand? Yes. Having trained your Body and its appendages from your day of birth to perform such everyday tasks, did you give the process even a second thought? No.
That is Hand-Controlled Body and Arms as related to picking up keys. What I described in my post was the same concept related to striking a Golf Ball. While the action is more complicated and demands great precision, it operates under the same Laws and, once learned, is performed in the same way.
Learn to hit the Ball with the Pressure Points in your Hands. Your Computer and its Visualization Programming are directly linked to your Hands and their Feel.
What the Computer dictates, the Hands accept as their assignment.
But...
The accurate Feel of a given Ball Response must be programmed.
That is why Ben Hogan said:
"Never attempt a Shot on the Course that you have not practiced."
Brian Manzella
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This is a GREAT thread and I will reply individually to several posts:
Brian Manzella
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Ed...you are not alone.
In the golf instruction business of "fixing" golfers quickly as possible, you learn that some things SHOULD work, but don't in all cases.
If you are talking about a golfer who has played for years, and let's say has an over-acceleration problem to begin with--- often "moving his hands with his hands'---that golfer may NEED to think about 'HITTING IT WITH HIS PIVOT' with the hands just holding on/aiming and applying hinge action.
I am one of those golfers.
Brian Manzella
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I agree Mr. Lynn...
BUT!
Instead of throwing your car keys on the floor, drop a 50lb. weight on the floor.
If you thought it was light enough to pick up easily, you would just bend over and pick it up with your arms...
BUT!
It is way to heavy for that, requiring you to flex your knees and support the weight better with you body.
Right?
Right.
BUT ...
Regardless of the weight of the object, the body in both scenarios acted in the same manner, as a support.
Brian? Is the light 50 lb weight, a long distance drive and the light keys, a zero accum 4 chip shot?
(I know the clubs don't match the weights, I'm talking about force applied)
As I said, the Body and Arms, once trained, will do what they must do to accomodate the assignment of the Hands. That is the case whether you are lifting a 50 pound weight or crocheting a quilt.
The problem with the application of that truism to the Golf Stroke is that, for most Golfers, the Hands -- Zone 3 -- have no idea what to do. And the Body and Arms -- Zones 1 and 2 -- left to their own devices and false Feels, can frustrate even Educated Hands. Hence, the necessity for the education of all three Zones -- Body, Arms and Hands -- all the while maintaining their separate identities. Only then can they be expected -- and depended upon -- to function properly as integral parts of the whole that is your Golfing Machine.
Remember:
"The Golf Stroke is one piece like an ocean liner, not like an Indian dugout canoe (1-H)."
"Every board and every panel must be cut to fit its place and cut to fit in with the overall design (1-E)."
"The mechanical device has no balance problem but the human machine does, and mastery of the Pivot is so essential for good Golf (1-L)."
-- Homer Kelley
I'm certainly on the other side of that coin. To me, it sounds like what Lynn describes is more along the lines of reacting to a visual image - an entire body reaction - not just a hands only focus. At least in its advanced stages. I played this weekend, with the thought of simply 'swinging my hands' and while I gave up some yardage, I hit some very accurate shots (one of my best recoveries in a while, a towering 7 iron from 170 out of a deep fairway bunker with a strong cross wind to 6 feet (almost hit the stick), was too aggressive and lipped it out unfortunately )
In any case, I found the simple thought of swinging my hands and arms helped quiet my over active lower body, specifically on the backswing. The real key has been visualizing however. If I can 'see' the shot, and myself making it, I can generally pull it off. If I don't take the time to visualize fully, I am less consistent, especially around the greens.
)In any case, I found the simple thought of swinging my hands and arms helped quiet my over active lower body, specifically on the backswing. The real key has been visualizing however. If I can 'see' the shot, and myself making it, I can generally pull it off. If I don't take the time to visualize fully, I am less consistent, especially around the greens.
Brian Manzella
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What Lynn is describing is a very CORRECT way to do it....IF you have a pivot that listens!
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