Educated Hands....Whatsbest approach to leaning???

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What is the best approach to learning "educated hands"?????

I ask this question because I want to learn to proper impact fix with better clubface control.

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Flying wedges! Learn all about the flying wedges. Check here and on Chuck's. Yoda has many incredible posts about the subject. Flying wedges are educated hands.

Learn the proper right hand grip and stance that sets the club shaft and right forearm on plan. From here you can majke a proper impact fix, back to adjusted fix and on to take-up.

Flying Wedges Rule !!
 

EdZ

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1) Hitting chip/pitch shots with the right hand only, right wrist bends staight back to the forearm (Norman's Secret can be a useful aid for this)

2) Hitting chip/pitch shots with the left hand only, learning to hit draws/cuts and feeling the exaggerated 'arch' of the left hand through impact (Tac Tic can be a useful aid for this)

3) See EdZ drill #1 re: flying wedges, and learn 10-2-B and/or 10-2-D - you can't feel them unless you have a proper grip
 
Two great posts...thanks guys.

I better question for me then is, what are we trying to educate your hands about? To know where they are during any part of the swing (i.e., open, closed, etc)?. To know how to hinge them (angled, horizontal, etc)?. What are we trying to teach them?</u>.

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EdZ

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you are learning where they are during the swing, and how that relates to the result you want

you are becoming 'fully aware' of your hands, and the clubface relationship

You are learning to feel the 'unified' motion of your hands - the feel of the 'flying wedges'
 
And the idea is to use this knowledge in a proactive fashion, not a reactive fashion. In other words, use your educated hands to execute the desired shot, not to make last second (split second, really) adjustments (corrections) after the swing has begun.
 
quote:Originally posted by efnef

And the idea is to use this knowledge in a proactive fashion, not a reactive fashion. In other words, use your educated hands to execute the desired shot, not to make last second (split second, really) adjustments (corrections) after the swing has begun.

Well put efnef. The hands need to be aligned using the flying wedges from impact fix to impact thru to follow through. They control body motion, they control the club. Learn flying wedges and you have a kinda of TGM for Dummies.
 

cdog

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6B, do you have any pitures you can post of you training the flying wedges?
Or a series of pics with the flying wedges at different points in the swing?
 

Mathew

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Learn the R.wrist bends back like your wrist is a hinge and that the forearm fans back tracing that plane line in start-up and monitor this with pp3.... - If I had to say over last year what one of the big simplifications of my swing would be - this would be it.... Goodness knows what I did before but getting the 'online' feeling - trust me you never want to go back. Recently I had a hard time defining the movement to others - but of recent ive managed to understand this through reading some posts on the TGM forum and here.

Now recently (like in the last few days) I have perhaps found the last block of this puzzle - The forearm should match the shaft at address... before I was doing this but my forearm was well inside and I picked it up on that line (still closer than what on earth I was doing before) but aligning the forearm you can manage to pick the club up on the inclined plane :) (Thanks Yoda/holenone...ps I have an evil twin too...lol ...ask around..lol)

Thats my thoughts on backswing education at the current moment- Does anyone have any thoughts on my thoughts ?
 
You want to educate the hands to maintain the flying wedges, you want to educate them to sense clubhead lag pressure, you want to educate them to control clubface hinge action. Hitters have to educate the right wrist to stay bent while they "unbend" the right arm.
 

holenone

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quote:Originally posted by mgjordan
Hitters have to educate the right wrist to stay bent while they "unbend" the right arm.

And they do this by learning to hit the Ball with the heel of the Right Hand (and its Pressure against the Left Hand Thumb).

Learn to hit the Ball with the Pressure Points in your Hands.

The Club becomes irrelevant.
 
Holenone
Then, how can we learn to use pressure point #1, as you mention. In 12-5-1 and 12-5-2 There is no mention about pressure point #1 and I like to learn it through these 12-5-1 and -2.

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holenone

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quote:Originally posted by pete09

Holenone
Then, how can we learn to use pressure point #1, as you mention. In 12-5-1 and 12-5-2 There is no mention about pressure point #1 and I like to learn it through these 12-5-1 and -2.

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You are wise to use the Basic Motion Curriculum (12-5-0) to assemble your G.O.L.F. Stroke. Homer Kelley was very proud of it and felt it would one day become, in his words, "more popular than the book itself." Remember, the purpose of the Curriculum is best served if the Motion is kept continuous, i.e., back-and-through and back-and-through and back-and-through, as you integrate each Component. Use 'breaks' in the process to rehearse the Address Routines of 3-F-5 and 2-J-1.

You have observed that Pressure Point #1 is not listed in the Curriculum. Nor is Pressure Point #4. However, you will find Accumulator #1 (the Right Arm) and Accumulator #4 (the Left Arm) as Items #12 and #9 respectively in Stage One (the Basic Motion per 12-5-1). The Accumulators are normally actuated by their "same numbered" Pressure Points (7-11). So, when the Study References are given to 6-B-1 (Power Accumulator #1) and 6-B-4 (Power Accumulator #4), the references to Pressure Points #1 (10-11-0-1) and #4 (10-11-0-4) are implied.

As stated in 12-5-0, the items in each of the Three Stages are meant to be interpreted per the Stroke Patterns of 12-1-0 (Hitting) and 12-2-0 (Swinging). In other words, if you are learning to Hit, then the Right Arm becomes active, and Pressure Point #1 becomes its Direct Drive. If you are learning to Swing, then the Left Arm becomes Active, and Pressure Point #4 becomes the Direct Drive.

Pressure Points #2 and #3 are listed (as Items #14 and #15 in 12-5-1). Their associated Power Accumulators (#2 and #3) are not introduced into the Curriculum until Stage 2 (the Acquired Motion per 12-5-2). The Swinger uses Pressure Point #2 to drive the #2 Accumulator -- the Wristcock -- but normally only as actuated by Centrifugal Force. The Hitter drives the #2 Accumulator with Right Arm Thrust (2-P) using either Pressure Points #1 or #3. Finally, the Clubhead Lag must be assigned to one of the employed Pressure Points, and this is almost always #3. For both Hitters and Swingers, this constitutes the Indirect Drive of the Club through Impact.
 

Brian Manzella

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The real trick is to learn EXACTLY where to be in the both-arms-straight follow-through 'position.'

Hit your shot (Chip, Pitch or Punch) and try to wind up there.

If you don't "FIX IT" before you try again.
 

hue

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quote:Originally posted by brianman

The real trick is to learn EXACTLY where to be in the both-arms-straight follow-through 'position.'

Hit your shot (Chip, Pitch or Punch) and try to wind up there.

If you don't "FIX IT" before you try again.
Like in your Logo. So you recommend working on impact fix and post impact fix. Thanks for the tip it makes sense . Is this something Ben Doyle teaches?
 

EdZ

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quote:Originally posted by holenone

quote:Originally posted by mgjordan
Hitters have to educate the right wrist to stay bent while they "unbend" the right arm.

And they do this by learning to hit the Ball with the heel of the Right Hand (and its Pressure against the Left Hand Thumb).

Learn to hit the Ball with the Pressure Points in your Hands.

The Club becomes irrelevant.

This needs to go in the "Yoda's Top Posts" list IMO.

Sums up so much.

My own ball striking improved dramatically the second I began to understand pressure points, and to FEEL them during the swing. Especially when "forgeting there is a club in my hands"

The "mind is in the hands" is indeed one of the best swing thoughts/feels you can ever understand - lag pressure
 
I have two young boys with athletic swings who love golf. The video tape reveals the breakdown of the bent right wrist/flat left wrist at impact.
Anyone have any unique ideas to help me train the #1 Imperative?
One of these days I will post their swings.
Thanks to all in advance.
 
Teach them to chip with a bent right wrist, keeping the left wrist moving through impact ahead of the butt of the club.
 

rwh

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quote:Originally posted by mb6606

I have two young boys with athletic swings who love golf. The video tape reveals the breakdown of the bent right wrist/flat left wrist at impact.
Anyone have any unique ideas to help me train the #1 Imperative?
One of these days I will post their swings.
Thanks to all in advance.

quote:Originally posted by MizunoJoe

Teach them to chip with a bent right wrist, keeping the left wrist moving through impact ahead of the butt of the club.

To add to Mizuno Joe's advice, Mr. Kelley suggested a "Basic Motion Curriculum" which appears at pages 225 - 228 (6th Edition). Begin with short chipping and putting motions -- clubhead moving no more that about 2' in either direction (Mr. Kelley termed this "Basic Motion"); then a short pitching motion -- forearms no higher than parallel to the ground ("Acquired Motion") and, finally, full swing motion ("Total Motion").

Mr. Kelley emphasized a "slow, smooth motion up-and-back, down-and-out and up-and-in the same distance in both directions and as continuously as possible. . . . Make no adjustment during the Stroke for---or because of Impact." Perhaps Holenone can clarify, but, once learned, I think Mr. Kelley wanted you to string the three motions together in sequence without interruption: Chip, Pitch, Full, Chip Pitch, Full, etc.

So, you learn to "Do It Right" by starting very small, very slow. And build on the previous foundation ("A lesson begins where the last one left off").

If you think this seems too simple, it's not. No less an authority than Holenone put me on this precise curriculum "until mastered" -- and I had been playing the game for 40 years.

Oh, and it works -- big time.
 
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