Els swing (video)

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dbl

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Here are some Els' swings.

http://golfersonly.com/eb1.avi
http://golfersonly.com/eb2.avi

It seems he does not get back to the shaftplane, though he is inside Leadbetter's "golden triangle" (ice cream cone - whatever). His shaft points inside of the ball at certain points of the swing, which was a point of controversy in the Swing Plane thread.

Comments on what anybody sees? I'm a novice so can't contribute much, but thought the videos might be of interest. And if people point out some good (or bad) things, I might learn.

By the way, I found it was easier to right click these and save them to disk and then view them.
 
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dbl

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The links worked for me, but they do seem faster to rightclick and save to your hard disk. Then find the file and double click to see it.

Try again, sometimes some servers are sporadic. Don't know about these.
 
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Thanks for putting the footage up. The camera angles aren't quite correct for viewing the plane (the camera really needs to be directly behind the hand line), although the second clip is closer to proper. That's the one you should look at.

At the first half of the backswing, Els is slightly above the plane line going back, which is what almost all good golfers do in the "modern swing". This keeps the club from getting too far behind the player, and gives them room to slightly reroute it back on plane (note that the reroute is natural, and follows the tilt-pivot). Halfway up, Els' shaft should point inside the ball, because the "around" part of the backswing is over, and your arms start to go up towards the top, which naturally steepens the clubshaft. As Els goes up, the shaft is above his right forearm, as it should be. This again keeps the club "in front" of him.

The last parallel of the downswing (where the shaft is parallel to the ground) wasn't captured by your clip, but if it was, it would show two things: First, that the clubhead tracks the plane line, as it should. Second, that the club would point straight down the target line, or dead parallel with that little yellow line you drew at Ernie's foot. The hands are slightly higher than the plane line, as they should be, given the forces created by the downswing.

Els' angles are as textbook as it gets, and anyone would do well to study them. Just my opinion. Redgoat? Brianman? I'm listening.
 
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quote:Originally posted by dbl

Here are some Els' swings.

http://golfersonly.com/eb1.avi
http://golfersonly.com/eb2.avi

It seems he does not get back to the shaftplane, though he is inside Leadbetter's "golden triangle" (ice cream cone - whatever). His shaft points inside of the ball at certain points of the swing, which was a point of controversy in the Swing Plane thread.

Comments on what anybody sees? I'm a novice so can't contribute much, but thought the videos might be of interest. And if people point out some good (or bad) things, I might learn.

By the way, I found it was easier to right click these and save them to disk and then view them.
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No offense to anyone, but this are the worst swings I have ever seen Els make. Maybe the speed of the camera, but these aren't classic els.

Also is the top line drawn correctly?
 
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Looks pretty good to me. Can't see him breaking any of the 3 imperatives, then again I can't see his left wrist, but I'm pretty sure its flat ;)
 
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6bee1dee

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quote:Originally posted by densikat

Looks pretty good to me. Can't see him breaking any of the 3 imperatives, then again I can't see his left wrist, but I'm pretty sure its flat ;)
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Tempo is way off, he is lurching forward with the upper body before his arms come down.
I'm trying to save to file a few Els swing I have. Maybe someone can add some lines to them.
 
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quote:Originally posted by 6bee1dee

quote:Originally posted by densikat

Looks pretty good to me. Can't see him breaking any of the 3 imperatives, then again I can't see his left wrist, but I'm pretty sure its flat ;)
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Tempo is way off, he is lurching forward with the upper body before his arms come down.
I'm trying to save to file a few Els swing I have. Maybe someone can add some lines to them.
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The lurch forward is normal for Els. So is the early hitch at the top, notice the semi-throwaway at the top, but he recovers. Same thing with Howell (usually the early setters - Leadbetter students have this at the top).

One reason why Else appears to have great tempo is that he keeps his head pretty much level throughout the whole swing, which I personally don't like, because he has to bulge his shoulders upward on the downswing, and his right arm is the most extended of any player on tour, and Els has pretty long arms.

Not saying that his swing is bad, but there are some noticeable flaws in a swing that deceptively looks almost perfect.
 
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Those of you who are getting technically critical of Els should be reminded that you know you would kill for a swing like that and you should live so long to play as well as he does.
His swing will live long as a model for anyone looking for one to copy.
 
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His swing isn't a model because not everyone is his height with his flexability. No pro's swing should be a model. Trying to copy a swing is useless.
 
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cherrybarry

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quote:Originally posted by semipro

Those of you who are getting technically critical of Els should be reminded that you know you would kill for a swing like that and you should live so long to play as well as he does.
His swing will live long as a model for anyone looking for one to copy.
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and you should be reminded that his swing isn't a model and is far from perfect.
 
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6bee1dee

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quote:Originally posted by brianman

I will have to teach ya'll how and where to draw the lines....
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I thought those lines looked useless.

Yes we all would kill for his swing. Im saying that the swing in the AVI is not a good swing of his, not that his swing isn't good.

AND Els may know Leadbetter and humor him with a visit or two on his show or school. But Els is not a student of Leadbetter EVER.
 
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quote:Originally posted by 6bee1dee

quote:Originally posted by brianman

I will have to teach ya'll how and where to draw the lines....
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AND Els may know Leadbetter and humor him with a visit or two on his show or school. But Els is not a student of Leadbetter EVER.
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He's called Leadbetter the best instructor in the world, but he isn't a student of his?

Okay...
 
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6bee1dee

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quote:Originally posted by ragman

quote:Originally posted by 6bee1dee

quote:Originally posted by brianman

I will have to teach ya'll how and where to draw the lines....
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AND Els may know Leadbetter and humor him with a visit or two on his show or school. But Els is not a student of Leadbetter EVER.
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He's called Leadbetter the best instructor in the world, but he isn't a student of his?

Okay...
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Els is not a student of his. They are both south africians and i'm sure he supports his fellow countryman with kind words. Leadbetter never "fixed" "changed" or guided him with his swing. Lead gets more from Els then Els ever gets from him.
 
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ragman

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quote:Originally posted by 6bee1dee

quote:Originally posted by ragman

quote:Originally posted by 6bee1dee

quote:Originally posted by brianman

I will have to teach ya'll how and where to draw the lines....
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AND Els may know Leadbetter and humor him with a visit or two on his show or school. But Els is not a student of Leadbetter EVER.
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He's called Leadbetter the best instructor in the world, but he isn't a student of his?

Okay...
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Els is not a student of his. They are both south africians and i'm sure he supports his fellow countryman with kind words. Leadbetter never "fixed" "changed" or guided him with his swing. Lead gets more from Els then Els ever gets from him.
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First, Leadbetter is not South African.

"Els is not a student of his."

Okay...I just wonder why Els mentioned that Leadbetter tightened up his swing over the years and gives him a lot of credit...

But, okay, he isn't a student of Lead...
 
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