I agree with rwh, extensor action is a below-plane force (because the arm being strtetched is above plane like Matt says). With the club gripped under the heel of the left hand, why would stretching the left arm in its own plane cause the left wrist to fully uncock and cause a zero #3? I believe you can fully stretch your left arm and still have the wrist level, or at least not all the way uncocked. In fact, only with a zero #3 condition (the same thing as rwh's dog and leash example) would extesnsor action be an on plane force. At least that's what 6-B-1-D says in the first paragrahp. But this would only happen if yuo gripped the club in the cup of the hand or if you deliberately uncocked your wrist all the way.
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I agree with rwh, extensor action is a below-plane force (because the arm being strtetched is above plane like Matt says). With the club gripped under the heel of the left hand, why would stretching the left arm in its own plane cause the left wrist to fully uncock and cause a zero #3? I believe you can fully stretch your left arm and still have the wrist level, or at least not all the way uncocked. In fact, only with a zero #3 condition (the same thing as rwh's dog and leash example) would extesnsor action be an on plane force. At least that's what 6-B-1-D says in the first paragrahp. But this would only happen if yuo gripped the club in the cup of the hand or if you deliberately uncocked your wrist all the way.
Brian explained extensor action ...as if your trying to force your hand in a sweater's sleeve, how can you do that AND pull with the #3 pressure pt?
This one of the reasons why people dislike TGM, its confusing, and makes no sense.
Reading 6-b-1-0, and 6-b-1-d, seems to say use rear triceps in a trying to straighten the rear arm. Ok, makes sense right? Then it says
"stretching the lead arm using #3 pres pt is like pulling both ends of a rope". Ok, we are suppose to use rear triceps to keep the lead straight, but then use #3 to pull it striaght, all the while if done incorrectly, it will cause throwaway, in which case we use #1 to pull the thumb to hold the lead arm inline...RIGHT.
6-c-1, the #1 pt is where the rear hand heel, touches either the lead hand thumb, or the clubshaft, so if i PULL with that point, then it will no longer be touching anything as i will have a gap from pulling the rear hand off the lead.....
This one of the reasons why people dislike TGM, its confusing, and makes no sense.
Reading 6-b-1-0, and 6-b-1-d, seems to say use rear triceps in a trying to straighten the rear arm. Ok, makes sense right? Then it says
"stretching the lead arm using #3 pres pt is like pulling both ends of a rope". Ok, we are suppose to use rear triceps to keep the lead straight, but then use #3 to pull it striaght, all the while if done incorrectly, it will cause throwaway, in which case we use #1 to pull the thumb to hold the lead arm inline...RIGHT.
6-c-1, the #1 pt is where the rear hand heel, touches either the lead hand thumb, or the clubshaft, so if i PULL with that point, then it will no longer be touching anything as i will have a gap from pulling the rear hand off the lead.....
Brian Manzella
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It is a VERY SLIGHT stretch....away from the left shoulder socket.....on the downswing the shoulder is pulling one way the right arm...the other way....
Guys,
Everyone likes the grip stretching image, so let's start there. If you stretch the grip from #3pp to #2 pp, that puts a force ONLY along the grip with NO force on the side of the grip. As a side effect, the left arm is pulled straight down BELOW plane, because you have a reactive force which doesn't let the butt of the club move farther away from you than initial address position. So this forces a stretch in the direction the left arm is pointing.
If you apply a force component perpendicular to the grip at #3pp, this will prevent the left wrist cocking properly and cause #2 accum throwaway. This is what Homer meant when he speaks of improper execution in 6-B-1-D. As he suggests, if you have trouble grasping extensor action using #3pp, you can use #1pp, which is simply pushing down on #1pp with the right arm, and only stretches the left arm downward. This IS a side force on the shaft, but not one which will inhibit wrist cock or #2 accum throwaway. BUT, it's not as good as using #3pp.
Everyone likes the grip stretching image, so let's start there. If you stretch the grip from #3pp to #2 pp, that puts a force ONLY along the grip with NO force on the side of the grip. As a side effect, the left arm is pulled straight down BELOW plane, because you have a reactive force which doesn't let the butt of the club move farther away from you than initial address position. So this forces a stretch in the direction the left arm is pointing.
If you apply a force component perpendicular to the grip at #3pp, this will prevent the left wrist cocking properly and cause #2 accum throwaway. This is what Homer meant when he speaks of improper execution in 6-B-1-D. As he suggests, if you have trouble grasping extensor action using #3pp, you can use #1pp, which is simply pushing down on #1pp with the right arm, and only stretches the left arm downward. This IS a side force on the shaft, but not one which will inhibit wrist cock or #2 accum throwaway. BUT, it's not as good as using #3pp.
Archie Swivel
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Perhaps the grip makes a difference when using extensor action. I believe Brian taught me a 10-2-B strong single action grip, but we weren't using The Golf Machine lingo at our first lesson. Anyway, I inadvertanly haven't been doing what he taught me and I've been placing my left thumb on the opposite side of the shaft (not on the aft side) and pp#3 was a little too underneath the shaft. So my right wrist bend was causing an exaggerated arch in my left hand. I did not like straightening my left arm with my right wrist bend and exacerbating the left wrist arch. So at the range today, I had pp#3 and my left thumb both on the aft side of the shaft and it all seemed to click today. If I am miguided, I really don't want to know because I hit the ball really good today. But I guess go ahead and tell me.
Arch
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I have also done some experience on the grip since I have difficult doing the pitch position. When I have a single strong grip, (right feels to me to be strong, in fact may not, with #3 at the very side but not under; left on top with bend), at the takeaway I can feel more with elbow in front, right palm facing up the plane so when coming down can perform the wrist throw and right elbow coming in first. When I have a single weak grip (left on top but right more to the top), it seems that it will result to a punch position elbow. Is this correct?
"Strong" single action does not mean "strong" in regular Golf World terms.
The Golfing World refers to "strong" as "hands turned to the right." "Weak" is "hands turned to the left." But not in The Golfing Machine.
"Strong" in TGM means that the left thumb and Pressure Point #3 are behind the shaft in the aft position. So Arch, when you lined up both your left thumb and Pressure Point #3 both on the aft side of the grip, you had it correct.
The Golfing World refers to "strong" as "hands turned to the right." "Weak" is "hands turned to the left." But not in The Golfing Machine.
"Strong" in TGM means that the left thumb and Pressure Point #3 are behind the shaft in the aft position. So Arch, when you lined up both your left thumb and Pressure Point #3 both on the aft side of the grip, you had it correct.
goodgolf57
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3 days away from the board and I've got two pages of responses. Thanks to all. I trust extensor action is a very sound principle, however the only thing "by the book" that I've learned is that improper execution quickly leads to throwaway. Personally, I must erase the thought on the downswing.
Brian Manzella
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Pulling the shade WOULD BE a below plane vector, no?
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