Jim Kobylinski
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If you could give me a golfer with excellent clubface control and poor clubpath control i'd provide you with a PGA tour winner (if they had a short game and could putt)
Face or path
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ggsjpc
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Brian Manzella
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Steve Greffen
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So Spears is clubface and Reno is clubpath. No opinion because face control means more to ball control overall.
Right Brian? Jim?
Right Brian? Jim?
tongzilla
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hmm...
I don't want to sound stupid but...
Think about it...
For a given clubhead path, there's a clubface position that'll make the ball go where you want. So for those who are good at controlling the clubface, they will adjust their clubface to fit the path to make the ball go where they want.
For a given clubface position, there's a clubhead path that'll make the ball go where you want. So for those who are good at controlling the path, they will adjust their path to fit the clubface to make the ball go where they want.
So given the above, why is the clubface more important?
I don't want to sound stupid but...
Think about it...
For a given clubhead path, there's a clubface position that'll make the ball go where you want. So for those who are good at controlling the clubface, they will adjust their clubface to fit the path to make the ball go where they want.
For a given clubface position, there's a clubhead path that'll make the ball go where you want. So for those who are good at controlling the path, they will adjust their path to fit the clubface to make the ball go where they want.
So given the above, why is the clubface more important?
Steve Greffen
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Yeah I think face has been the overall consensus...I just wish it didn't have to come down to Brian posting up a "face" of Janet Reno!
Bronco Billy
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Exactly Right... Path/Face are NOT Weighted.. They are Binary..Both are Necessary....
Richie3Jack
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mjstrong
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Bronco Billy
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I Hate to Admit It... But mjstrong is Right On This One....
These were my thoughts exactly. But I always enjoy being enlightened.
ggsjpc
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cake and eat it too eh....
So now we assume that the goal is to play a straight hole. And we'll assume a 0 degree attack angle to make the numbers easy. If the player hits the ball with a face perpendicular to the target, at least the ball is working back toward the middle from any path mistake. Sure it will go past the middle at some point.
If the player hits the ball with perfect path, any mistake in club face is immediately more off line and working even more offline the entire time.
If you can only choose one to be best at, why wouldn't it be the face. In your example, the player is able to adjust his path on demand and I would think that is having good control over it. Can't have both for this talk.
So now we assume that the goal is to play a straight hole. And we'll assume a 0 degree attack angle to make the numbers easy. If the player hits the ball with a face perpendicular to the target, at least the ball is working back toward the middle from any path mistake. Sure it will go past the middle at some point.
If the player hits the ball with perfect path, any mistake in club face is immediately more off line and working even more offline the entire time.
If you can only choose one to be best at, why wouldn't it be the face. In your example, the player is able to adjust his path on demand and I would think that is having good control over it. Can't have both for this talk.
Tom Bartlett
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simplify
Use putting as an example to help understanding.
Clubface control (keep the putter always looking at the hole) you can change your path pretty drastically and still hit pretty good putts.
Path control (swing putter at hole) change the face and you won't be close.
Also, the more lofted the club the less the effect of path.
Use putting as an example to help understanding.
Clubface control (keep the putter always looking at the hole) you can change your path pretty drastically and still hit pretty good putts.
Path control (swing putter at hole) change the face and you won't be close.
Also, the more lofted the club the less the effect of path.
mjstrong
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Fair enough, but any side spin imparted on putts does not affect the direction the ball ends up in the same manner as balls fliying through the air.
Jim Kobylinski
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Because you are giving equal weighting to people who can control the path and people who can control the face is not realistic data in the real world.
Poor golfers are poor golfers because they can't control the face; even hackers generally have a consistent clubpath within a few degrees even if it is ridiculoust inside/out or outside/in. The deviation on clubface angle at impact is MUCH MUCH LARGER than the deviation is clubpath from swing to swing.
Jim Kobylinski
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There is no such thing as side spin, there is only backspin. The path induces the ball to tilt on it's spinning axis which leads to the ball spinning in a certain direction.
mjstrong
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Sure, but once a putt has been launched, there is only forward roll...there is no curvature resulting from its spin, unlike an in-the-air shot.
All I'm saying is that the flight of a shot is different than the roll of a putt; mainly, the potential for a ball to curve due to its spin axis.
Bronco Billy
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Adjusting CF of A Given Path is Cheating..This Implies Both Path & CF are Known..
Also I'd Appreciate It... If You Wouldn't Shoot Me... Have a Great Day...
Also I'd Appreciate It... If You Wouldn't Shoot Me... Have a Great Day...
Tom Bartlett
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No. I am controlling the club face by keeping it at my target regardless of the direction the club swings on.
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