FEELING WHAT SHOULD HAPPEN ?

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Ringer,

I think "feel" in the golf swing is the feel of something you actively do in order to realize the intention you desire. And this "feel" is not the feeling of actually realizing the intention, which is useless in helping you execute the swing. I believe that every well engineered stroke has one "causal move" which is developed into a feel on the range. It's like squeezing the trigger of a rifle, which then kicks off a series of mechanical events, which in turn leads to the desired result of the bullet coming out the barrel.
 

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I feel NOthing when I am DOing what I intend to do.

I feel something when I am FEELing something is happening, which is NOT doing what I intend to do.
 
quote:Originally posted by Ringer

I'm surprised my point was not commented on. Feel is a REACTION. You can only have an intention and hope that the feel afterwards matches the intention you had. I recommend a rating scale.. 1-10.. how well did you perform your intention.. and the only way you can rate it is by being AWARE of it. That awareness is in the form of a FEEL. But you cannot FEEL the pain of a pin prick before you sit on it.

Well, since you asked, I am going to disagree with your Ringer. :)

I don't think Feel is a REACTION.

Feel, in my experience, is simultanous with action, and therefore the SAME as action. Once the desired action (correct mechanics) is identified and mastered using concsious awareness (look,look,look), the FEEL of that correct action is then acquired and SUBSTITUTED for conscious thought of executing the action.

The ability to REPEAT THE FEEL allows one to REPEAT THE ACTION without thinking about the action. Some might say that it moves the computer program from the analytical left side of the brain to the action oriented right brain.

I think your analogy of the pin prick is flawed because, while I cannot feel the actual 'prick' until after the fact, I can certainly feel my legs bending and my butt moving closer to the pin. If my intention is to hit the pin I need to move in a certain way and in a certain direction with a certain feel.

Just as I canot feel actual impact until it occurs but I can FEEL my hands, ams and body making the necessary motions (feels) to achieve it.

JMHO


STL,

Triad
 
Triad my friend, you are mixing intention with feeling. And it's a very easy thing to do. The vocabulary that gets used in everyday life makes for some interesting ways of stating things which although may seem accurate to the speaker, are not always accurate to the listener.

INTENTION is the driving force between thought and action. A person can THINK about using their right arm to strike the ball, but that does not mean they will use it. You can THINK about getting a glass of water from the sink, but until you intend for it to happen, it won't.

Now, if feel and action were as closely linked as you say, then the "Phantom Limb" or "Phantom Pain" phenomina would not exist. People "feel" as if their arm, which has been amputated, still moves... but obviously it is not moving because it is no longer attached to the body. Therefor what they FEEL is not connected to the action of the arm moving.

Feel is the impression gained by the sense of touch. The word can also be used in the context of desire to perform... but it isn't until the emotional desire of feel becomes action through INTENTION, do you actually perform anything at all other than a brain excercise.

Tricky stuff. No doubt.
 
quote:Originally posted by Ringer

Triad my friend, you are mixing intention with feeling. And it's a very easy thing to do. The vocabulary that gets used in everyday life makes for some interesting ways of stating things which although may seem accurate to the speaker, are not always accurate to the listener.

Yes, Like your post. This might be fun if you can refrain from the patronizing comments and address the issues.

quote:INTENTION is the driving force between thought and action. A person can THINK about using their right arm to strike the ball, but that does not mean they will use it. You can THINK about getting a glass of water from the sink, but until you intend for it to happen, it won't..

You continue to interject new terms to support your viewpoint. We were talking about FEEL replacing conscious ACTION. Now you want to discuss THINKING versus INTENTION.

You also make the false assumption that action cannot occur without specific intention. Do you INTEND to breath? When I make a golf swing I do not INTEND to cock my wrists, but my feel and motion effects a wrist cock, without intention.

Do I have to INTEND to make a golf swing? Yes, but the INTENTION ends there.

quote:Now, if feel and action were as closely linked as you say, then the "Phantom Limb" or "Phantom Pain" phenomina would not exist. People "feel" as if their arm, which has been amputated, still moves... but obviously it is not moving because it is no longer attached to the body. Therefor what they FEEL is not connected to the action of the arm moving..

I am not sure how this invalidates my suggestion that FEEL and ACTION are the same. Now, I never suggested that what you feel is synonmous with the action that occurs, but that the FEEL is representitive of SOME action. In the case of the Phantom Limb, it is the action of nerve endings being excited and neurons in the brain firing in a similar pattern to the former arm movement.

When I take a backswing I FEEL as if I am very steep. In fact I am on plane. In order for me to be on plane I need to FEEL steep going back. The FEEL is not reality but it is the reality I need to perform the task. One needs simply to define a specific FEEL in relation to a specific desired ACTION and replace the action with the feel.

quote:Feel is the impression gained by the sense of touch. .

Wrong, FEEL is gained through all the senses, sight, sound, touch etc.. ( Admittedly in golf taste is not a big factor unless you have ever gotten a mouthful of sand from a bunker shot)

quote:The word can also be used in the context of desire to perform...but it isn't until the emotional desire of feel becomes action through INTENTION, do you actually perform anything at all other than a brain excercise..

The Emotional Desire of Feel???? Isn't that on Oprahs book club list?
(Sorry, now 'I' am being condescending, couldn't help it):)

quote:Tricky stuff. No doubt.

No Doubt
 
quote:Originally posted by Triad
Yes, Like your post. This might be fun if you can refrain from the patronizing comments and address the issues.
If you see that post as being patronizing then it will be impossible to broach this subject without offending you. Please do not confuse sincere commentary as patronizing. I have seen MUCH MUCH worse from others towards me and thus I have been careful about phrasing.

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You continue to interject new terms to support your viewpoint. We were talking about FEEL replacing conscious ACTION. Now you want to discuss THINKING versus INTENTION.

You also make the false assumption that action cannot occur without specific intention. Do you INTEND to breath? When I make a golf swing I do not INTEND to cock my wrists, but my feel and motion effects a wrist cock, without intention.

Do I have to INTEND to make a golf swing? Yes, but the INTENTION ends there.
I am not making any false assumption as such. The subconcious mind most definately is the driving force and could even be argued as the ONLY part of the brain that creates action. It is the tie between the concious and subconcious mind that we are delving into. And for that there is a big distinction between "feel" and "intention". Feel is the information the brain recieves from the sense of touch, and can be interpreted into an emotional response. (I feel I did that right) While intention is the concious decision to perform it.

Of COURSE I'm interjecting new terms to support my view. Otherwise this conversation would only contain "feel feel feel feel... feel feel" followed by "intention intention intention... intention". I'm explaining the process as I view it and as I am suggesting you might consider. I'm sorry if the expansion of my viewpoint to better explain it goes outside of the rules you wanted essablished for this interesting thread, but I cannot fully explain my position without them.
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quote:Now, if feel and action were as closely linked as you say, then the "Phantom Limb" or "Phantom Pain" phenomina would not exist. People "feel" as if their arm, which has been amputated, still moves... but obviously it is not moving because it is no longer attached to the body. Therefor what they FEEL is not connected to the action of the arm moving..

I am not sure how this invalidates my suggestion that FEEL and ACTION are the same. Now, I never suggested that what you feel is synonmous with the action that occurs, but that the FEEL is representitive of SOME action. In the case of the Phantom Limb, it is the action of nerve endings being excited and neurons in the brain firing in a similar pattern to the former arm movement.

When I take a backswing I FEEL as if I am very steep. In fact I am on plane. In order for me to be on plane I need to FEEL steep going back. The FEEL is not reality but it is the reality I need to perform the task. One needs simply to define a specific FEEL in relation to a specific desired ACTION and replace the action with the feel.

It seems to me that now you want it both ways. You want to say that Feel and action are the same, but now you're backing off and actually proving my point. The ACTION of the nerve endings being excited creating a FEELING that the arm is moving.

And again you are proving my point when you say that you feel you are off plane when the action is actually on plane. That clearly identifies feel as being a sensation and all senses are reactionary. You do not smell how beautiful a flower is until you are actually presented with one. You do not TASTE the steak until it is in your mouth.
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quote:Feel is the impression gained by the sense of touch. .

Wrong, FEEL is gained through all the senses, sight, sound, touch etc.. ( Admittedly in golf taste is not a big factor unless you have ever gotten a mouthful of sand from a bunker shot)
That definition came right out of the dictionary. It is not wrong unless you want to challenge Microsoft Encarta. I'm sure Sun Microsystems will take up your fight. :D


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The Emotional Desire of Feel???? Isn't that on Oprahs book club list?
(Sorry, now 'I' am being condescending, couldn't help it):)

quote:Tricky stuff. No doubt.

No Doubt
Naw, I know you're just poking fun. But that definition also came from the dictionary.
 
quote:Originally posted by Ringer

quote:Originally posted by Triad
Yes, Like your post. This might be fun if you can refrain from the patronizing comments and address the issues.
If you see that post as being patronizing then it will be impossible to broach this subject without offending you. Please do not confuse sincere commentary as patronizing. I have seen MUCH MUCH worse from others towards me and thus I have been careful about phrasing.

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You continue to interject new terms to support your viewpoint. We were talking about FEEL replacing conscious ACTION. Now you want to discuss THINKING versus INTENTION.

You also make the false assumption that action cannot occur without specific intention. Do you INTEND to breath? When I make a golf swing I do not INTEND to cock my wrists, but my feel and motion effects a wrist cock, without intention.

Do I have to INTEND to make a golf swing? Yes, but the INTENTION ends there.
I am not making any false assumption as such. The subconcious mind most definately is the driving force and could even be argued as the ONLY part of the brain that creates action. It is the tie between the concious and subconcious mind that we are delving into. And for that there is a big distinction between "feel" and "intention". Feel is the information the brain recieves from the sense of touch, and can be interpreted into an emotional response. (I feel I did that right) While intention is the concious decision to perform it.

Of COURSE I'm interjecting new terms to support my view. Otherwise this conversation would only contain "feel feel feel feel... feel feel" followed by "intention intention intention... intention". I'm explaining the process as I view it and as I am suggesting you might consider. I'm sorry if the expansion of my viewpoint to better explain it goes outside of the rules you wanted essablished for this interesting thread, but I cannot fully explain my position without them.
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quote:Now, if feel and action were as closely linked as you say, then the "Phantom Limb" or "Phantom Pain" phenomina would not exist. People "feel" as if their arm, which has been amputated, still moves... but obviously it is not moving because it is no longer attached to the body. Therefor what they FEEL is not connected to the action of the arm moving..

I am not sure how this invalidates my suggestion that FEEL and ACTION are the same. Now, I never suggested that what you feel is synonmous with the action that occurs, but that the FEEL is representitive of SOME action. In the case of the Phantom Limb, it is the action of nerve endings being excited and neurons in the brain firing in a similar pattern to the former arm movement.

When I take a backswing I FEEL as if I am very steep. In fact I am on plane. In order for me to be on plane I need to FEEL steep going back. The FEEL is not reality but it is the reality I need to perform the task. One needs simply to define a specific FEEL in relation to a specific desired ACTION and replace the action with the feel.

It seems to me that now you want it both ways. You want to say that Feel and action are the same, but now you're backing off and actually proving my point. The ACTION of the nerve endings being excited creating a FEELING that the arm is moving.

And again you are proving my point when you say that you feel you are off plane when the action is actually on plane. That clearly identifies feel as being a sensation and all senses are reactionary. You do not smell how beautiful a flower is until you are actually presented with one. You do not TASTE the steak until it is in your mouth.
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quote:Feel is the impression gained by the sense of touch. .

Wrong, FEEL is gained through all the senses, sight, sound, touch etc.. ( Admittedly in golf taste is not a big factor unless you have ever gotten a mouthful of sand from a bunker shot)
That definition came right out of the dictionary. It is not wrong unless you want to challenge Microsoft Encarta. I'm sure Sun Microsystems will take up your fight. :D


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The Emotional Desire of Feel???? Isn't that on Oprahs book club list?
(Sorry, now 'I' am being condescending, couldn't help it):)

quote:Tricky stuff. No doubt.

No Doubt
Naw, I know you're just poking fun. But that definition also came from the dictionary.

FEEL free to continue reading the dictionary for your 'insights' rather than using intellect, common sense or reality. Your 'points' are really just meandering fluff, loosley tied together by poor definitional choices.

For instance, earlier you said cleary that INTENTION was the root of all action. Now you say it is the SUBCONSCIOUS MIND. What will it be next, Past Life Experiences? I am sure you will be able to find a dictionary reference to support your inconsistencies.

Also, since this is a golf discussion board, try making your examples golf related. Your constant references to flowers, steaks, pins and 'phantom limbs', does nothing to support your argument.
 
Ahh yes.. now we're back to "Let's talk about golf only because real life has nothing to do with golf." You and I both know that a bunch of BS. You use the SAME body to do all of those things which makes them all relevant.

Do you have a problem with me using PROPER TERMINOLOGY?...

According to you now, I would have to find the dictionary completely eronious in order to have "intellect"... I guess truth is to be avoided at all cost when it doesn't support your position.

No, I am not stating Intention is the root of ALL action. It is the root of all CONCIOUS THOUGHT turning into action. Intention is the movement of the thought from the higher brain functions to the lower brain functions... IE: Concious mind to subconcious mind. That is FACT. But I gess we should avoid fact since it doesn't support your position and we need to think outside of what is truth.
 
quote:Originally posted by Ringer

Ahh yes.. now we're back to "Let's talk about golf only because real life has nothing to do with golf." You and I both know that a bunch of BS. You use the SAME body to do all of those things which makes them all relevant.

No, I am saying: "Lets talk about golf because that's what we're here for", and because your self perceived eloquence and un-inspiring analogies ( such as sitting on a pin) fail to support your arguments and add little to the conversation.

quote:Do you have a problem with me using PROPER TERMINOLOGY?...

According to you now, I would have to find the dictionary completely eronious in order to have "intellect"... I guess truth is to be avoided at all cost when it doesn't support your position.

Dictionaries are like data. You can choose the definition (or data) that supports your view. I suggest that, in a less than intelectually honest effort, you are selecting imprecise definitions to support a failing argument. I find this both disengenious and transparent.

quote:No, I am not stating Intention is the root of ALL action. It is the root of all CONCIOUS THOUGHT turning into action. Intention is the movement of the thought from the higher brain functions to the lower brain functions... IE: Concious mind to subconcious mind. That is FACT. But I gess we should avoid fact since it doesn't support your position and we need to think outside of what is truth.

Once again, a fluff paragraph that says nothing, retracts earlier stements you have made and adds nothing to the original question. Do you just enjoy typing to hear yourself talk?

As an aside, I was wondering, what is a BPS Golf Instructor? Do you guys use clubs and golf balls, or just pins, flowers and steaks for teaching aids.
 
quote:Originally posted by Triad
No, I am saying: "Lets talk about golf because that's what we're here for", and because your self perceived eloquence and un-inspiring analogies ( such as sitting on a pin) fail to support your arguments and add little to the conversation.
The golf swing is a function that the body performs. Because of that, the way the body works is VITAL to the operation of that golf swing. Any analogies that discuss how it is being used during that function is absolutely relevant. That includes HOW the body responds to stimulus.

Some of the greatest discoveries have been through contemplation of other things.


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Dictionaries are like data. You can choose the definition (or data) that supports your view. I suggest that, in a less than intelectually honest effort, you are selecting imprecise definitions to support a failing argument. I find this both disengenious and transparent.
Then please give me an example of a definition that directly contradicts my definition and supports yours. THEN we can discuss the validity of each. But as of right now you have no "Data" to stand on where as I quite clearly do.

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quote:No, I am not stating Intention is the root of ALL action. It is the root of all CONCIOUS THOUGHT turning into action. Intention is the movement of the thought from the higher brain functions to the lower brain functions... IE: Concious mind to subconcious mind. That is FACT. But I gess we should avoid fact since it doesn't support your position and we need to think outside of what is truth.

Once again, a fluff paragraph that says nothing, retracts earlier stements you have made and adds nothing to the original question. Do you just enjoy typing to hear yourself talk?
First of all.. precisely what statement am I retracting? Or is that just another baseless accusaion? Lie enough times and people will start to believe it?

So now my position is all "fluff". Yet the most you can do is make baseless accusations and not challenge the content. If it's all fluff, then how come you are having such a difficult time addressing the message?

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As an aside, I was wondering, what is a BPS Golf Instructor? Do you guys use clubs and golf balls, or just pins, flowers and steaks for teaching aids.
BPS Golf Instructors are committed to the integration of equipment in the instruction so that ALL facets of the golf swing are working properly. And your cynicism only reflects your lack of tolerance towards others.
 
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Dictionaries are like data. You can choose the definition (or data) that supports your view. I suggest that, in a less than intelectually honest effort, you are selecting imprecise definitions to support a failing argument. I find this both disengenious and transparent.


-Then please give me an example of a definition that directly contradicts my definition and supports yours. THEN we can discuss the validity of each. But as of right now you have no "Data" to stand on where as I quite clearly do.

So, I am an intolerant liar. Well done Ringworm, very civilized. It seems that, not only are you incapable of original thought without your dictionary, but apparently, you have reading comprehension difficulties as well.

I never said that other definitions would directly contradict yours. I merely said that your definitions were carefully chosen by you to support your ever-shifting stance despite other possible dictionary entries avalibale to you.

How could you possibly read what I wrote and turn around and demand that I supply 'directly contradictory definitions'. Either you are an idiot, or you are trying to dodge the point by, less than clever, re-direction.

Getting back to the point, lets look at your chosen definition of FEEL. You chose the fairly narrow definition: Feel is the impression gained by the sense of touch.

In the context of a discusssion about translating action to feel I might have chosen, Feel:To be aware of by instinct or inference.

Or perhaps Feel: To be conscious of an inward impression, state of mind, or physical condition.

You specificaly chose the narrower, less relevant definition to steer the argument in your chosen direction. Very transparent.

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quote:No, I am not stating Intention is the root of ALL action. It is the root of all CONCIOUS THOUGHT turning into action. Intention is the movement of the thought from the higher brain functions to the lower brain functions... IE: Concious mind to subconcious mind. That is FACT. But I gess we should avoid fact since it doesn't support your position and we need to think outside of what is truth.

Once again, a fluff paragraph that says nothing, retracts earlier stements you have made and adds nothing to the original question. Do you just enjoy typing to hear yourself talk?
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First of all.. precisely what statement am I retracting? Or is that just another baseless accusaion? Lie enough times and people will start to believe it?

So now my position is all "fluff". Yet the most you can do is make baseless accusations and not challenge the content. If it's all fluff, then how come you are having such a difficult time addressing the message?

The reason I am having a difficult time adressing the message is because your message changes in each post. First it was " Feel is a reaction'. Then it became "Intention drives action", then it became "The conscious mind drives action", then it became "The subconscious mind drives action". You have drifted further and further into never-never land and never-never addressed any of my points about FEEL. Which by the way, is the topic of this thread. More reading comprehension problems?

Lets try to take it back a step. What exactly is your argument?

My point has been, and remains that FEEL is NOT a REACTION, as you suggested, but rather that FEEL is an acquired state which is simultaneous with action and, once acquired,can replace the need for conscious direction of specific actions.
 
Save your breath. Not worth the trouble. Be like Gandi.

The most wonderful joy of applying TGM is how feel oriented it is. Practice mechanics to develop a feel. Use feel to play.
 
It appears that YOU are the only one having difficulty understanding my position. I have far from waivered from it as I have consistently stated it time and time again, Mr. Tripimp. I'm sorry, was that original name calling? Your "Ringworm" name calling is just so new and creative.

Yes, I admit that I don't use my own creative definitions to biasly support my position. I use the ones given to me by literary professors and professionals. I guess you just never liked looking up words when you were in grade school and now it has carried over into adulthood.

I never said that other definitions would directly contradict yours.
I see, so then you admit that my definition is correct.

I merely said that your definitions were carefully chosen by you to support your ever-shifting stance despite other possible dictionary entries avalibale to you.
Again, a BASELESS accusation made about my position with absolutely NO evidence to support it. Just keep repeating it, I'm sure you'll believe it soon.

So, I am an intolerant liar. Well done Ringworm, very civilized.
Do I need to point out that YOU were the first one to make this personal?

How could you possibly read what I wrote and turn around and demand that I supply 'directly contradictory definitions'. Either you are an idiot, or you are trying to dodge the point by, less than clever, re-direction.
Because I'm not going to adhere to your RULES. I demand a contradictory definition because there isn't one and you know it. YOU are the one avoiding the simple fact that what I speak is TRUE. Instead you offer insult after insult. I don't even see anything of substance in your last post... only more accusations and attacks. (aside from your personal definitions of feel)

I did choose a fairly narrow definition because all of the other ones provided where off subject.. but for everyone's convenience I'll copy them all here so they can see why I chose only the relevant one (I'll highlight the one I used):

feel [feel]
v (past felt [felt], past participle felt, present participle feel·ing, 3rd person present singular feels)
1. vt touch something: to perceive something using the sense of touch
2. vt touch somebody sexually: to touch somebody or a part of somebody’s body for the purpose of sexual gratification
3. vt examine something: to test or examine something by touching it
4. vt advance hesitantly: to make your way forward slowly, guided by the sense of touch or tentatively, because what is ahead is hard to see or uncertain
5. vi use touch in searching: to use the sense of touch to try to find something
feel around for my keys

6. vt have sensation in body part: to have physical sensation in a particular part of the body
7. vt experience something: to experience an emotion or physical sensation
I feel no regret.

8. vi seem to yourself: to seem to yourself to be in a particular physical or emotional state
Don’t feel sad.

9. vi cause particular sensation: to cause a particular physical or emotional sensation
The water feels cold.

10. vt be aware of something: to be instinctively aware of something, usually an emotion, that is not visible or apparent
11. vt be affected by something: to be deeply affected emotionally by something painful
12. vt think something is true: to be convinced about something by instinct or intuition rather than concrete evidence
I feel you’re lying to me.

13. vt believe something: to have the opinion or belief that something is the case
She felt she could no longer carry on.


Microsoft® Encarta® Reference Library 2003. © 1993-2002 Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.


There, now everyone can choose whichever definition of FEEL they desire.

The reason I am having a difficult time adressing the message is because your message changes in each post. First it was " Feel is a reaction'. Then it became "Intention drives action", then it became "The conscious mind drives action", then it became "The subconscious mind drives action". You have drifted further and further into never-never land and never-never addressed any of my points about FEEL. Which by the way, is the topic of this thread. More reading comprehension problems?

Here are my EXACT quotes.. not your INTERPRETATIONS..

"INTENTION is the driving force between thought and action."

"You can only have an intention and hope that the feel afterwards matches the intention you had."

"No, I am not stating Intention is the root of ALL action. It is the root of all CONCIOUS THOUGHT turning into action."

"The subconcious mind most definately is the driving force and could even be argued as the ONLY part of the brain that creates action."


Quite clearly I am stating that there is a process. Perhaps a diagram will help:
Concious thought -> Intention -> Subconcious -> Action -> Feel

Now before you bring up the objection that some things do not require concious thought to perform... such as breathing, heartbeating, eyesight.. etc. They DO start from an intention to live. Sometimes that intention is thwarted. Ray Charles could not see after witnessing his brother drown. He no longer WANTED to see. (However, that could be just myth) Some people have been known to have irregular heart beats as they dream (as if they are dying or falling). And there are other such phenomina that effect the intention.
 
I am coming to understand right forearm pickup. But can somebody explain the non-TGM alternatives to right forearm pickup. What do other schools of thought teach and what are the differences? It seems to create a narrower swing arc for me, even with extensor action. Thanks in advance.
 
quote:Now before you bring up the objection that some things do not require concious thought to perform... such as breathing, heartbeating, eyesight.. etc. They DO start from an intention to live. Sometimes that intention is thwarted. Ray Charles could not see after witnessing his brother drown. He no longer WANTED to see. (However, that could be just myth) Some people have been known to have irregular heart beats as they dream (as if they are dying or falling). And there are other such phenomina that effect the intention.


Yes, Ringworm. I will submit to your very powerful point. The golf swing clearly begins from an initial intention to live. If I don't want to live, then I probably will not have much commitment to a golf swing. What you have repeatedly failed to do is connect the dots from the "I want to live" point to 'I am currently making a golf swing".

You, my friend, are a nutcase. Thanks for the heads-up on what BPS instruction is. I am quite sure that your incoherant quasi-pshyco-babel is well recieved by the 30 handicappers who have no clue about the geometric realities of a G.O.L.F. swing. I am also sure that your mantra that 'if your ball striking is poor, then it must be your clubs. I will sell you a new game" meets rave reviews from same.

I do, however, find it hard to believe that both you and Hibbard can live in harmony on FGI. Don't you guys both sell the same brand of snake oil? Do I sense a BPS Perfect Impact Summit in the near future?
 
quote:Originally posted by Ringer


edited by njmp2: (just to weird).

Yawn [|)] This may be his Hall of Shame post, certainly his melt down. You sure do know a lot of professors, what college did you graduate from?
 
quote:Originally posted by Archie Swivel

I am coming to understand right forearm pickup. But can somebody explain the non-TGM alternatives to right forearm pickup. What do other schools of thought teach and what are the differences? It seems to create a narrower swing arc for me, even with extensor action. Thanks in advance.

All takeaways conform to TGM. If you don't use a right forearm takeaway then the shoulder turn is used The shoulder turn is the most widely used, the old low and slow takaway tracing a straight line away from the ball. This turns the shoulder as the left arm moves the club. We all learned this first. The right forearm takeaway, according to Homer, allows the clubhead to orbit closer to the required circle then the shoulder turn. Funny how straight lines keep the orbit a circle.
Narrow? Shouldn't be. Left arm is still the lever and keeps the radius constant.
 
I'm done trying to explain such a simple matter to people who choose to remain ignorant rather than asking intelligent questions.
 

bts

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quote:Originally posted by njmp2

Save your breath. Not worth the trouble. Be like Gandi.

The most wonderful joy of applying TGM is how feel oriented it is. Practice mechanics to develop a feel. Use feel to play.
Practice intention to develop precise intention. Use precise intention to play.
 
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