finding the top of the backswing

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Hi All! Quick question as I struggle through an abnormal amount of practice and playing hours this season already. I've tried for a year now to figure out the best way to control my backswing, and I simply can't do it. When I visited brian I understood it somewhat, but it didn't stick. When I find the correct point to 'end' my backswing, I know it mid-swing and feel complete confidence in my ability to swing down and through as hard as I want, making totally solid contact.

For some reason however, I almost always feel myself turning more than I want to - is there any advice out there for helping me get this under control? When I try drastically shortening my swing I can't get a feel for where I would generate power so my natural instinct is just to keep turning. Please help!! I'm so inconsistent it's amazing - This past week my rounds were 74, 77, 78, 92, and 88. And it's all based on the backswing imo. Any help would be greatly appreciated, below is a vid of my most recent swing with an iron - the backswing extension is worse with a driver :)

YouTube - ‪may 2011‬‏

 
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Kevin Shields

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When your arms reach an orthodox position your body is severely underturned so when you "late turn" your arms get a blast which, imo, is hard to repeat.
 
Thanks for the reply Kevin. So I presume that means I should really focus on much more of a shoulder turn? Cool post because I've actually purposely reduced my shoulder turn trying to shorten the swing.
 
bigger shoulder turn and less arm swing. that is a good way to get a shorter swing without just swinging your arms to an orthodox position without a shoulder turn.
 
Thanks for the reply Kevin. So I presume that means I should really focus on much more of a shoulder turn? Cool post because I've actually purposely reduced my shoulder turn trying to shorten the swing.

Curious as to Kevin's reply. I don't read his post that way. It seems to me he is saying you add turn too late, as opposed to coordinating your armswing and turn at takeaway. Left shoulder more down in takeaway with arms moving in may be what he is referring to. It looks like your turn and arms are going different directions.
 

Kevin Shields

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If I meant left shoulder down and arms in I wouldve said left shoulder down and arms in. I just want his turn to stay ahead of his arm swing so he can get the club past him on the way down without it violently falling under.
 
Thanks again Kevin...I just got back from the range focusing on that and only that today. Felt very different, like I really have no idea what to do with my arms because I'm so used throwing them back as far as possible. I do know that I didn't duck hook any today, which is a huge change for me. Back is killing me after working on turning so much...gonna have to get used to this.
 

ej20

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Agree that the takeaway is too armsy.

Another thing is the shape of the swing.Across the line at the top,steep transition and shallow late.This is a harder way to hit a ball in my opinion.
 
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