Fixing FLIPPING without adding SHANKS.

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PaulMTC

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I'm new around here - great site/discussion.

I recently watched the "Former Flipper" video and enjoyed it and understand the principles.

The only problem was, I had a club medal the day after I watched it and tried to put some of it into practice in a 2 hour session prior to the medal.

Things were going very well initially and I was hitting the ball nicely enough at first as I was training myself to "not flip" - but then I started SHANKING it - it was devastating and shanked about 10 balls during the session.

Needless to say I completely lost my confidence in the medal and had a very poor competition.

I am going to persevere though - as I am definitely quite far away from the "non-flipper" position on my current swing. I went out this evening and hit another 100 and was able to achieve the "non-flip" position on my short chip/punch shots (I was videoing the session). I can't get near on my 3/4 and full swings though.

I have a problem getting my hips through. Before watching the video I had a problem getting stuck on my right foot on the following through (still doing it).

I understand all the things you are being taught - but I'm having a hard time applying them. It's great stuff though and I have made the most progress through Manzella methods than any other methods I have tried thus far in my golfing life (I have been playing 10 years and read a 20 or so books).

I am a 17 handicap.

Keep up the good work Brian!

Paul.
 
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lutesk

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I shanked wedges for 2 months last year after starting this stuff. I shanked one real bad on 16 this past Sunday, first time this year.

Tis' scary.
 
birdie_man

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2 months?

Ahahahahhaha......that's torture! Good god.

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Clubface is prolly too open...i.e. overroll + way underplane......then you kinda "hit at it".....i.e. add right arm thrust.......and you're screwed.....that hosel stays pointing right at the ball.
 
vandal

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Another cause of the shanks when one is attempting to concentrate on maintaining a FLV is holding on and not rotating through the shot. You still must uncock and roll.
 
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burtonr

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I'm a bit new at this, but I have recently learned to stop flipping. I also developed a shank with this drill, but was able to stop completely. For me, the problem was allowing my upper body (head, neck, shoulders, etc.) to "lunge" foward through the shot. That seemed to cause the clubhead approach to be outside the correct path. By keeping my head/neckbone behind the ball through impact, my path was correct and I stopped shanking completely.
 
Garth

Garth

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quote:Originally posted by burtonr

I'm a bit new at this, but I have recently learned to stop flipping. I also developed a shank with this drill, but was able to stop completely. For me, the problem was allowing my upper body (head, neck, shoulders, etc.) to "lunge" foward through the shot. That seemed to cause the clubhead approach to be outside the correct path. By keeping my head/neckbone behind the ball through impact, my path was correct and I stopped shanking completely.
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Agree with this completely, and is probably something that all former flippers should look at. Once you start getting to impact with a FLW, there is a tendancy to get out ahead of the ball because you just don't trust it yet. This is something I'm still working on myself, as it's very difficult for me to visualize the bottom of the swing arc using good axis tilt and a FLW.
 
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PaulMTC

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quote:Originally posted by vandal

Another cause of the shanks when one is attempting to concentrate on maintaining a FLV is holding on and not rotating through the shot. You still must uncock and roll.
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What is FLV?
 
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PaulMTC

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Agree with this completely, and is probably something that all former flippers should look at. Once you start getting to impact with a FLW, there is a tendancy to get out ahead of the ball because you just don't trust it yet.
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Can you explain what you mean by "get out ahead of the ball".

Thanks a lot.

Paul.
 
birdie_man

birdie_man

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I think that when people try for lag....and try to hit down....they overdo it and fail to have any Axis Tilt.

I did it for a while when I was starting out with this.....

Hit low low low pulls for a while.
 
Garth

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quote:Originally posted by PaulMTC

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Agree with this completely, and is probably something that all former flippers should look at. Once you start getting to impact with a FLW, there is a tendancy to get out ahead of the ball because you just don't trust it yet.
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quote: Can you explain what you mean by "get out ahead of the ball".

Thanks a lot.

Paul.
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I mean that your upper body and head are in front of the ball at impact.
 
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Little Brit

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This all sounds exactly what I have been doing. After reading about left shoulder up I am going to head out now and try it as I feel that that swing thought will work well for me (after swinging that imaginary club) lol. Some of my chips have been shanked and low, but out of them I did manage a couple of beauties, I think this might work.
 
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Little Brit

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Grrr. No magic solution, this is going to take me quite a long time to get right I think, maybe 5 decent ones followed by 5 terrible ones etc etc. and I still don't know if I am doing it right even then.
 
mrodock

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Little Brit,

Hate to say it, but usually when half are good, half are bad, the good one's are a byproduct of really good timing with messed up mechanics.

Committing to learning better impact alignments is the way to go though, and you are in the right place to learn them.

Matt
 
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Jared Willerson

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I've shanked some too, since watching the flipper video and building blocks. I agree with burtonr and Garth, the key is axis tilt. When I stay behind it and don't lunge the club stays on the correct path and doesn't move out and put the hosel on the ball. I seem to do this more with chips and punches than anything else.

One thing though, after getting into this stuff, when I do it right, I have a deadly 3/4 iron swing that really compresses the ball. It's like a new toy. I just need all of this stuff to start translating into lower scores instead of outstandingly great shots followed by a poor one, back and forth my round seems to go. I think I've "got it" and then I'll shank one or flip one. Case in point, Monday, I followed to straight double bogeys with 2 straight birdies. I guess you can tell the holes i "flipped it" on.

I feel I'm getting better, just not scoring better.....yet.
 
rbaumgolf

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Getting behind the ball, I learned a new trick from Brian to check if you are "really" getting behind the ball.

Have a partner place their finger(s) on a spot on your spine as you turn on the backswing. Make what you think is an "exagerated" move to get behind the ball. If you are really turning around your spine, the finger will not move from its spot if you are truly turning around you spine.

Try to exagerate getting behind the ball and you'll prolly find that you are now "really" behind the ball - feel vs reality.

Brian may be able to explain it better but it was enlightening - I was "not" getting behind the ball and "not" turning around the spine even though I felt like I was until after that little exercise.
 
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Little Brit

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Matt,
Thanks, I do feel I am just not getting it yet. I have more of Brian DVDs on order so maybe they will help. I don't have the little yellow book yet either as I was waiting for the new release. I have been golfing for a season and a half and am wanting to concentrate on the short game a lot more this year. I have had a very well timed flip and early release, taking no divot, so I am working hard to get on track. Like glcoach I am improving on my longer strokes but the shorter the stroke the worse it is. Last night when I was working on it, I found that I was way more consistant when I quieted my body so I must be doing that incorrectly, or overdoing it.
 
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Little Brit

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Haha, if my hubby sees any more of these visa transactions he will be doing the flipping.
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The Trick is learning to LAG THE SWEETSPOT.

Which will be umong the DOZENS of "pearls" in Son of Flipper.
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