flashlight drill

[wanole]

When doing the flashlight drill. DO I

1. Put the flashlight at the end of the shaft at the hozel then trace it on a line inside the target line since at rest the "line" is inside the target line. IMO, this will put the sweet spot plane on the target line.

2.on the downswing, how long does the light from the butt of the club stay on the plane line if i am doing this in slow motion, since I won't have a snap release. DO I just follow the line till my aiming pont then let the light at the bottom of the shaft come down to the line?

I am big on slow motion practice and just want to make sure I am doing it right. Hope you understand what I am asking.

Joe

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Chuck Evans has a video explaining this:

http://chuckevansgolf.com/media/plane_drill.avi

Explains it very well

 

[wanole]

quote:Originally posted by jim_0068

Chuck Evans has a video explaining this:

http://chuckevansgolf.com/media/plane_drill.avi

Explains it very well

PERFECT..THANKS!!!

 

[ej20]

I've tried the flashlight drill but for me it doesn't help much.

Keeping the light on plane is no doubt the geometrical ideal but in reality is difficult.In fact,most great ball strikers(if they had a flashlight attached)would not be tracing the perfect plane.Most of them would be pointing outside or well outside the plane line coming down.None would be pointing at or inside.

I wish Brian would come out with his ideas on plane soon.I can't wait.

 

[wanole]

quote:Originally posted by ej20

I've tried the flashlight drill but for me it doesn't help much.

Keeping the light on plane is no doubt the geometrical ideal but in reality is difficult.In fact,most great ball strikers(if they had a flashlight attached)would not be tracing the perfect plane.Most of them would be pointing outside or well outside the plane line coming down.None would be pointing at or inside.

I wish Brian would come out with his ideas on plane soon.I can't wait.

I see what you are saying on the downswing I would think to hit the inside aft of the ball would take an inside the plane approach.

 

[ej20]

That Chuck Evans video drill shows the butt end of the flashlight pointing at the plane line coming back down.Most instructors would deem that an over the top move.

 

[matt]

quote:Originally posted by ej20

That Chuck Evans video drill shows the butt end of the flashlight pointing at the plane line coming back down.Most instructors would deem that an over the top move.

And they'd be wrong.

 

[azgolfer]

The clubshaft definitely points outside the line in tour player swings, take a look at the Swing like a Pro book, page 161.

 

[denny.]

quote:Originally posted by azgolfer

The clubshaft definitely points outside the line in tour player swings, take a look at the Swing like a Pro book, page 161.

Most efficient way is for one end of club to point at plane line. Wheels spin easiest if they don't wobble.
Laws never rest.

 

[matt]

quote:Originally posted by azgolfer

The clubshaft definitely points outside the line in tour player swings, take a look at the Swing like a Pro book, page 161.

There was quite a large discussion on here some time ago about camera angles. Unless it's set up exactly perfect, there's going to be distortion in what's REALLY happening and what LOOKS like is happening.

 

[azgolfer]

Yes, but there is a force (gravity) pulling the club straight down. I would guess the flattening allows the player to feel the force of gravity on the club. The swing is clearly not a stable rotating system (which allows the simplification of centrifugal force) early in the downswing. Swing like a Pro shows the clubhead and hands describe a slight arc.

 

[golfie]

quote:Originally posted by matt
There was quite a large discussion on here some time ago about camera angles. Unless it's set up exactly perfect, there's going to be distortion in what's REALLY happening and what LOOKS like is happening.

Not that this helps the discussion but there should be no such problems with Swing Like a Pro. The model golfer was developed using synchronized face-on and rear video at some ridiculously high frame rate. This effort is not by some guy using V1 software and a regular video camera. The model golfer is a good composite of what current pros do on average.

The majority of pros are not single plane and drop to the elbow plane. Could be an explanation?

Golfie

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

Actually just about every pro has their right forearm pointing at the plane line at impact and in reality that is all that is truly necessary. However a lot of times it doesn't look like it because 1) the camera angle is slightly off and 2) you are limiting the view of the plane line. You have to remember the plane line goes in a straight line for infinity. So as long as the forearm si pointing along that line (usually in front of the ball) you'll fine.

 

[densikat]

It's a matter of most efficient compared to less efficient but gets the job done. Anything other than pointing at the line on the way down falls into the latter category.... as long as it is onplane through impact interval you will be okay.... But it is gonna be alot more consistent if it points at the plane line th whole time.

 

[ej20]

quote:Originally posted by azgolfer

Yes, but there is a force (gravity) pulling the club straight down. I would guess the flattening allows the player to feel the force of gravity on the club. The swing is clearly not a stable rotating system (which allows the simplification of centrifugal force) early in the downswing. Swing like a Pro shows the clubhead and hands describe a slight arc.

The flattening of the shaft is simply the players attempt to swing it on a shallow path.To get an idea of what that feels like,make some swings on your knees.The shaft feels very horizontal through impact.

Tracing the plane line will cause the clubhead to approach the ball a bit steeper.Nothing wrong with this.Good players can deliberately achieve this in order to hit balls out of divots or rough.Shallow swings will not work well in these situations.

Advantages of a shallow swing?Automatic inside attack,more forgiving(no more duffs),low spin rate(especially useful with driver).It does seem this method is preferred by the majority of pros.

 

[densikat]

Consider this, these pros might flatten the shaft, but come release interval...that club is pointing at plane. Why move off plane and then back onto plane. Why not just stay on there from the top, or preferably the whole swing. It doesn't make sense it, why would one add these compensations. Sure most of these pros are great athletes with a great instinct to get back on plane where it matters, but when you know better, and thanks to Homer we do... unless the shifting is really working for you, why not go for the zero shift. A hacker with a steep swing wont be pointing at the plane line on the way down, its going to be over the top and pointing inside the plane line.

 

[ej20]

quote:Originally posted by densikat

Consider this, these pros might flatten the shaft, but come release interval...that club is pointing at plane. Why move off plane and then back onto plane. Why not just stay on there from the top, or preferably the whole swing. It doesn't make sense it, why would one add these compensations. Sure most of these pros are great athletes with a great instinct to get back on plane where it matters, but when you know better, and thanks to Homer we do... unless the shifting is really working for you, why not go for the zero shift. A hacker with a steep swing wont be pointing at the plane line on the way down, its going to be over the top and pointing inside the plane line.

Plane and plane shifts are an option,not an imperative.You have to experiment around with it on the range and on the course under pressure to see which is right for you.

Furyk has tried to straighten out the loop in his swing.He said his good shots were fantastic but his poor shots were more penalising.He prefers the loop.How do you explain it?

 

[corky05]

His comfort level and confidence are higher with a less than perfect swing under pressure because that is the swing he grew up playing golf with and is most comfortable with under pressure.

 

[ej20]

quote:Originally posted by corky05

His comfort level and confidence are higher with a less than perfect swing under pressure because that is the swing he grew up playing golf with and is most comfortable with under pressure.

Thats the point i'm making i guess.Just because you use a flashlight to drill the perfect swing doesn't mean you can repeat it under real conditions under real pressure.You don't have the luxury of a flashlight connected to your clubs permanantly.

 

[azgolfer]

quote:Originally posted by densikat

Consider this, these pros might flatten the shaft, but come release interval...that club is pointing at plane. Why move off plane and then back onto plane. Why not just stay on there from the top, or preferably the whole swing. It doesn't make sense it, why would one add these compensations. Sure most of these pros are great athletes with a great instinct to get back on plane where it matters, but when you know better, and thanks to Homer we do... unless the shifting is really working for you, why not go for the zero shift. A hacker with a steep swing wont be pointing at the plane line on the way down, its going to be over the top and pointing inside the plane line.

Anyone have a video of a zero shift swing ? Swing Like a Pro says every good golfer flattens. Also, on the backswing, you are working against gravity, on the downswing it's working with you. So a steeper/flatter combination would make sense.