Flat left wrist and strong grip question

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when the ball is set on the target line, some people dty to have the clubface hit the back of the ball dead square on the target line. For the people in the know, you want to contact the ball a dimple or two on the inside with a slightly open clubface and at seperation the club will be about square to target line.

Hum. Very interesting. I have not payed that much attention to exactly what part of the ball my clubface is hitting because it happens so fast I cannot possibly know. What I do know is that the ball usually starts right when I have my old grip. Now with a stronger grip it appears to be going left, although I'm not really sure.

I'm not really trying to do anything with the clubface during the milliseconds of time that the club is in contact with the ball. I hope that everything I do up to that point will be correct and then the ball will do what it's supposed to.
 

Brian Manzella

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Tell you what Mr. X,

I'll give you some free advice on the phone.

Call me at 502.417.4653

You have to understand, we have several fakes on this board (like all boards) and you sounded sorta fishy. If you are real, please forgive me.

Like I said call me, and I'll be glad to help.
 
Tell you what Mr. X,

I'll give you some free advice on the phone.

Call me at 502.417.4653

You have to understand, we have several fakes on this board (like all boards) and you sounded sorta fishy. If you are real, please forgive me.

Like I said call me, and I'll be glad to help.

Ok, I will call you when I get some time. When would be the best opportunity to reach you?
 
I'm having a problem with consistency. I was hitting some high cuts with my irons and my instructor told me to go to a stronger grip. But I have noticed when I try to get my left wrist flat that my clubface is really shut at the top and sometimes I hook the ball badly. Now my instructor says it's because my hips aren't openning up fast enough.

Is there something I'm missing here? Do I need to keep my forearms under rotated through impact in order to make a flat left wrist?

This is classic band aid theory.

"Oh, you're hitting a fade, well strengthen your grip and hit a draw." This only introduces you to a whole new set of problems. Now you're forced to use more body turn to square up the clubface. More body turn with a flatter swing plane generally causes an over the top move. So MOST LIKELY the club is not only closed when the ball leaves the clubface but the swing path is most likely to the left now than where it has been if you have a flatter plane. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the next thing he tells you to do is maintain more axis tilt and stay behind the ball. That's to keep you from comming over the top. Hurrahhh more problems.

Go back to your neutral grip and find out WHY you were hitting the fade.
 
birdie just likes to chase brian around all day, he usually does not add much substance,

Uhhhhhhhhh.....

(holding back massively)

(in case you are joking- which you must be)

...

As for X...

Sorry if I misunderstood you....I don't usually jump on people....

I just thought that "OK.. well thanks for your time" sounded sarcastic to me....and Brian was trying to help.

But looking at it all now I dunno....maybe you were sincere. Sarcasm is one of the hardest things to pick up on in here.
 
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Brian Manzella

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Me and Birdie and some other pals of mine.

When I worked full-time at the New Orleans City Park Driving Range, I NEVER EVER "hustled" the tee-line.

There were 26 independent teachers there at one point, and they all cut each others throats every day. But mostly mine.

There was basically only a few ways to get lessons:

#1. Pay off the cashiers

#2. Work for the house

#3. Hustle the tee line

#4. Have people ask you for a card or a lesson

#5. Word of mouth

I hit balls at, and worked as a "ball-boy" at, the "Range" for years before I taght there. I vowed I would never PAY OFF anyone for lessons (I never have) and I would never "hawk" the stalls (Not my style).

I made my living—and got my new students—by strickly be OUT TEACHING the other guys so. By doing so I would: A. Have people ask me for a card or a lesson, and B. Have positive word of mouth.

Why do I bring any of this up?

Because I am STILL the same old Brian.

I don't recruit students.

And I don't recruit "followers" either.

I don't PM people and say things like: "I can really help you, just come work with me." Or: "If you help;) ;) me on this website and others, I'll help you with your game and understanding of the swing."

But, **NEWFLASH**, others do.

How do I know? The "recruited" who "defected" to the Manzella-side of the street TOLD ME.

So, where you see guys like Paul (Birdie Man) who look like they follow what I say more than some other teacher, IT WAS STRICKLY BECUASE THEY FIGURED OUT ON THEIR OWN THAT MY STUFF WAS WHAT THEY THOUGHT WAS BEST.

Period.

If you want help with your game, I can help you with posts, free videos, pay videos, lessons or schools.

But that is YOUR buying decision.

If you like what I have to say on this site, and you want to learn from it, and defend it when it is unfairly slammed, I thank you very much for your support.

But I don't recruit followers.

I just do my best and try (really hard everyday) to get BETTER at what I do.
 
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This is classic band aid theory.

"Oh, you're hitting a fade, well strengthen your grip and hit a draw." This only introduces you to a whole new set of problems. Now you're forced to use more body turn to square up the clubface. More body turn with a flatter swing plane generally causes an over the top move. So MOST LIKELY the club is not only closed when the ball leaves the clubface but the swing path is most likely to the left now than where it has been if you have a flatter plane. I wouldn't be the least bit surprised if the next thing he tells you to do is maintain more axis tilt and stay behind the ball. That's to keep you from comming over the top. Hurrahhh more problems.

Go back to your neutral grip and find out WHY you were hitting the fade.

Nice to see you on a real instruction forum Steve.:)
 
(regarding Fred Couples)

1. Reverse Pivot

2. Small #3 accumulator angle

3. Lots of axis tilt

4. Left wrist bending induced angle hinging

5. Aims left of Ted Kennedy

In watching the highlights of the 2000 British Open I noticed fellow strong gripper David Duval had a flat left wrist but really used a lot of axis tilt and some reverse pivoting. Good call, I didn't realize those things were used to balance out a strong grip.
 
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