Flat Left Wrist Question

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SundayHacker

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If it's easier to move into a position than it is to maintain a position, why is a flat left wrist at the top stressed so much? Would it, perhaps, be easier to teach, or rather allow, a cupped left wrist at the top (which evidently is a more natural move), and then moving into a flat left wrist position in the transition and into impact?

Maintaining that flat left wrist has been a bit of a task for me (I still manage to untwist the clubface or throw it over the top), so I'm thinking that perhaps moving into a flat left wrist position would help drop someone on plane and into a more square impact position.
 
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I think it would be way harder to teach cause most people slice.

But better to ask someone like Brian, he's the one who's been doing it for 25 years or w/e.

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If your grip is Turned ('strong' for non TGM folk) it can be more Bent at the top.....slightly Bent.

What you don't want to do IMO.....is Bend it as much as you would for that stupid drill...."from Address cock your wrists straight up and then turn your shoulders to the top..."
 
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Tom Bartlett

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As far as 'natural', if you take someone and get them to hold the club in the left hand only and tell them to make a swing and take a divot...after a few tries, 99% of them will have a flat left wrist at the top of the backswing and after impact (without being told to do so). Same is true for right hand only grip...bent at the top and after impact. And, both will have a perfect swivel too.
 
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Martee

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The flat left wrist at the top can be a big problem if it is not done correctly.

What I am driving at is that I worked very hard to have that flat left wrist at the top. From my perspective standing over the ball looking back it sure looked flat. It wasn't, in fact it was arched. To further make a mess of things, my grip at the time was a bit strong.

Once I learned the difference between cocking and bending (cupping) the left wrist, things changed dramatically.

Basically what I learned was that if the left wrist has wrinkles by the thumb area it is cocked. If it has wrinkles by the little finger area, it is bent.

So with a strong grip, at the top when cocked looking back from my perspective the wrist appears to be bent (but with no wrinkles by little finger, just by the thumb) which means it is flat and cocked.

It really does help to have someone there who know what bent, arched, cocked and flat is, to get you in the right position with respect to your grip.
 
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rundmc

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Tom Bartlett said:
As far as 'natural', if you take someone and get them to hold the club in the left hand only and tell them to make a swing and take a divot...after a few tries, 99% of them will have a flat left wrist at the top of the backswing and after impact (without being told to do so). Same is true for right hand only grip...bent at the top and after impact. And, both will have a perfect swivel too.
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Then the turn into tards with two hands . . . what happens?
 
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Brian Manzella

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Martee said:
The flat left wrist at the top can be a big problem if it is not done correctly.

What I am driving at is that I worked very hard to have that flat left wrist at the top. From my perspective standing over the ball looking back it sure looked flat. It wasn't, in fact it was arched. To further make a mess of things, my grip at the time was a bit strong.

Once I learned the difference between cocking and bending (cupping) the left wrist, things changed dramatically.

Basically what I learned was that if the left wrist has wrinkles by the thumb area it is cocked. If it has wrinkles by the little finger area, it is bent.

So with a strong grip, at the top when cocked looking back from my perspective the wrist appears to be bent (but with no wrinkles by little finger, just by the thumb) which means it is flat and cocked.

It really does help to have someone there who know what bent, arched, cocked and flat is, to get you in the right position with respect to your grip.
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I know what you are saying, Marty, and I couldn't disagree more.
 
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rundmc said:
Then they turn into tards with two hands . . . what happens?
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Yup! for the most part they start steering. If you ever watch Brian give a lesson, he gets them to 'do it right' (HaHa) rather quickly with both hands.
 
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Martee

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Yeah, Brian why do you disagree. Actaully on another Forum from days past you were the one in a conversation about a related subject that indicate this.

I used to arch the left wrist cause out of the corner of my eye I it appeared not to be flat. Now another person looking at it or on video proved I was arching. Heck a popsicle stick showed it.

I really think the key to proper alignments is
"It really does help to have someone there who know what bent, arched, cocked and flat is, to get you in the right position with respect to your grip."

So what is in correct or is it you disagree or is it I wrote it poorly?
 
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Anything different than Brian's view is wrong Martee, you should have realized that by now after all these years/posts ;)


But the swing is all about OPTIONS

Trade-offs between geometry, physics and anatomy 'ideals'

Edit: sorry, anything different than Brian's view is not 'wrong' it is JUNK :)

 
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Brian Manzella

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EdZ said:
Anything different than Brian's view is wrong Martee, you should have realized that by now after all these years/posts ;)


But the swing is all about OPTIONS

Trade-offs between geometry, physics and anatomy 'ideals'

Edit: sorry, anything different than Brian's view is not 'wrong' it is JUNK :)

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Of all people Ed, you are the least biased toward the kool-aid stand, right?

Give me a break.
 
tongzilla

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Brian Manzella said:
Of all people Ed, you are the least biased toward the kool-aid stand, right?

Give me a break.
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Stop bringing kool-aid into the converstaion.

Lets get back to discussing the flat left wrist and what Martee was saying. So what do you have to say about that?
 
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Brian Manzella

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Stop bringing kool-aid into the converstaion.

Lets get back to discussing the flat left wrist and what Martee was saying. So what do you have to say about that?
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This!

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Brian Manzella said:
This!
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Yes, only one of those have an Arched Left Wrist, and the rest are Flat. So why do you disagree with Martee? He was saying it's easy to have an Arched Left Wrist without someone checking it for you.
 
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Brian Manzella

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Leo, why do you ask questions you know the answer to...

Because once apon a time,

FLAT was FLAT.

Then someone started talking about how flat left wrists were really not flat, they were arched and not 'in plane.'

All I am saying is this, I have given 30,000 golf lessons, and trust me the last couple 100, were some of the best golf lessons ever given in golf instruction history.

REALLY flat works better (if you know how to teach it).

Now if you THINK you have a strong single action grip 10-2-B, and you really have a STRONGER than strong single action grip, more of a 10-2-D, then you'd probably like a bent left wrist at the top too.

Nothing wrong with it—I teach a lot of guys with it—because they play better with it, or they are more comfortable with it, but I try to call a SPADE a SPADE.

Spade!
 
birdie_man

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10-2-B.....both wrists Vertical...

I always thought that some ppl were explaining and demonstrating more-Turned-than-Vertical wrists....but saying it was 10-2-B (Strong Single Action).

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Brian...

You should add Watson and Nelson to your collage.

Watson had 8 majors I think....Nelson prolly had a fair amount (dunno how many).
 
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Martee

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Brian Manzella said:
Because once apon a time,

FLAT was FLAT.

Then someone started talking about how flat left wrists were really not flat, they were arched and not 'in plane.'

All I am saying is this, I have given 30,000 golf lessons, and trust me the last couple 100, were some of the best golf lessons ever given in golf instruction history.

REALLY flat works better (if you know how to teach it).

Now if you THINK you have a strong single action grip 10-2-B, and you really have a STRONGER than strong single action grip, more of a 10-2-D, then you'd probably like a bent left wrist at the top too.

Nothing wrong with it—I teach a lot of guys with it—because they play better with it, or they are more comfortable with it, but I try to call a SPADE a SPADE.

Spade!
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I be confused. You seem to say what I said. My points were

a. What I believed to be a flat wrist was arched cause of my perception while over the ball
b. You can have a what appears to be a bent wrist but isn't really bent.
c. Most important have some check you that knows what they are talking about and can take into account other factors, not just looking and saying flat, bent or arched without consideration.

I guess I really poorly worded my post. Here I thought I had learned something from you..oh well.:confused:
 
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Brian Manzella

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So sorry, Martee

I sure hope your flat left wrist is REALLY flat.

Or if it isn't, it works for you.

I am just saying that I absolutely do not agree with Lynn on this point.
 
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