Flat(ter) Armswing
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Jim Kobylinski
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None really, it's just what is "popular" at the moment. Players see the "better players" doing it so they "try it" too. Works for some and not others.
Tom Bartlett
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Will, it also allows a bigger swing radius...
I use a 47" driver and I'm only 5'10" and there is no way I am tall enough to swing it "upright"...
I've have been reading some of your posts for a few weeks now and just couldn't take it anymore.
Bigger swing radius??????? You can make your left arm longer by swinging flatter...gotta see that!
And now, with longer clubs you can't have a plane shift???
Where do you teach? And, what do you charge?
Jim Kobylinski
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Will, it also allows a bigger swing radius...
I use a 47" driver and I'm only 5'10" and there is no way I am tall enough to swing it "upright"...
The longer the club the flatter the plane, that's why a driver LOOKS flatter than a wedge AT ANY LENGTH.
I bet if you gripped down on your driver to 35" you'd LOOK just as steep as a wedge
.I second Tom's post too!
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Don't be daft Tom..
I am talking about the total radius dodo (arms plus club)....
A flatter swing allows you to use longer clubs (if that's what you want)...., which give you a bigger swing radius, basic mechanics...
I don't see any trick-shot artists swing their 7-8ft shafted drivers upright...
Don't be daft Tom..
I am talking about the total radius dodo (arms plus club)....
A flatter swing allows you to use longer clubs (if that's what you want)...., which give you a bigger swing radius, basic mechanics...
I don't see any trick-shot artists swing their 7-8ft shafted drivers upright...
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Tom Bartlett
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What Bigwill means is players swinging below the turned shoulder plane. You can have a fifty foot shaft and still be ON the turned shoulder plane. You don't have to swing below it to swing a longer club. And, you didn't answer my last two questions
Where do you teach and what do you charge???
And another one, what is your motive here?
You don't have to swing below it to swing a longer club. And, you didn't answer my last two questionsWhere do you teach and what do you charge???
And another one, what is your motive here?
shortgamer
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What Bigwill means is players swinging below the turned shoulder plane. You can have a fifty foot shaft and still be ON the turned shoulder plane.
Where do you teach and what do you charge???
And another one, what is your motive here?
The MA site only gets 5 post per month so they have no where to go....
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All due respect Tom, but that isn't what he said at all. He said "flatter" not "below"....
What Bigwill means is players swinging below the turned shoulder plane. You can have a fifty foot shaft and still be ON the turned shoulder plane.
All due respect Tom, but that isn't what he said at all. He said "flatter" not "below"....
And, you didn't answer my last two questions
Where do you teach and what do you charge???
And another one, what is your motive here?
Tom Bartlett
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All due respect Tom, but that isn't what he said at all. He said "flatter" not "below"....
Plane angle is classified by different parts of the body. Of course you know that because you are here to LEARN right?
Starting to think you might not be who you are portraying yourself to be. Never mind I know who you are now Andrew. I was right ulterior motive.
Jim Kobylinski
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Don't be daft Tom..
I am talking about the total radius dodo (arms plus club)....
A flatter swing allows you to use longer clubs (if that's what you want)...., which give you a bigger swing radius, basic mechanics...
I don't see any trick-shot artists swing their 7-8ft shafted drivers upright...
Unless you arm or club has a "magic straightening apparatus" the total swing radius is limited to the length of your left arm and the length of the club.
Doesn't matter if you swing it like a baseball bat with no wristcock or on the squared shoulder plane like Couples. It will be the same length, might LOOK different but same length.
OK guys, this has gone far enough.. I said originally that having a flatter arm swing ALLOWS you (if you want!!) to use longer clubs....
"Will, it also allows a bigger swing radius...
I use a 47" driver and I'm only 5'10" and there is no way I am tall enough to swing it "upright"..."
Put the two sentences together and my meaning is pretty obvious......seems like everyone is very quick to see the "negatives" in my posts lately, shame you can't just read what's there...
Sorry, obviously I am going to have to spend an hour on every line I post making sure there is no mistake about what i mean in order that i don't offend anyone..........
"Will, it also allows a bigger swing radius...
I use a 47" driver and I'm only 5'10" and there is no way I am tall enough to swing it "upright"..."
Put the two sentences together and my meaning is pretty obvious......seems like everyone is very quick to see the "negatives" in my posts lately, shame you can't just read what's there...
Sorry, obviously I am going to have to spend an hour on every line I post making sure there is no mistake about what i mean in order that i don't offend anyone..........
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Tom Bartlett
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You don't have to apologize to me and you didn't offend. I was just pointing out that you were wrong. If you have any questions just feel free to ask. But, I don't see that with your posts. I see you telling everyone on BRIAN'S SITE how it is. You wouldn't happen to have a site of your own and be in the teaching business would you?
Brian Manzella
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No offense.
I am going to start grading your posts.
If you want to make good grades, here are some hints:
Pretend you are NOT one of the best teachers in the world, pretend you are on one of the best teachers in the world's website, and you can't wait to hear what he has to say. Then comment or ask your own questions.
I am going to start grading your posts.
If you want to make good grades, here are some hints:
Pretend you are NOT one of the best teachers in the world, pretend you are on one of the best teachers in the world's website, and you can't wait to hear what he has to say. Then comment or ask your own questions.
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In that case, an I get an answer to the question in post#11 of the Mid Body hands post please?....
So how do you positon the clubface correctly?....Closed? How much?...
In that case, an I get an answer to the question in post#11 of the Mid Body hands post please?....
So how do you positon the clubface correctly?....Closed? How much?...
Brian Manzella
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If you make NO compensations—and you can mentally/visually "handle" the look, it would be CLOSED.
Most good players CAN'T STAND to look at a closed clubface, so they "twist it" open toward SQUARE or even a bit OPEN.
If you make NO compensations—and you can mentally/visually "handle" the look, it would be CLOSED.
Most good players CAN'T STAND to look at a closed clubface, so they "twist it" open toward SQUARE or even a bit OPEN.
If you make NO compensations—and you can mentally/visually "handle" the look, it would be CLOSED.
Most good players CAN'T STAND to look at a closed clubface, so they "twist it" open toward SQUARE or even a bit OPEN.
So when you say "twist it" this is assuming a normal "impact position" grip and the player simply rotates both forearms to make the club go from closed to square behind the ball?...
I tried the mid body hands today and everything was going right (high, weak), but I was setting up with the face square from the off..
birdie_man
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If you make NO compensations—and you can mentally/visually "handle" the look, it would be CLOSED.
Most good players CAN'T STAND to look at a closed clubface, so they "twist it" open toward SQUARE or even a bit OPEN.
Yes!! That's me man- I can't STAND IT, never could from the moment I tried it (just like hovering the driver).....
.....closing the clubface at Address....yuck!
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