Flat vs Steep shoulder turn
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Jim Kobylinski
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you can have a flat or steep shoulder with any type of pivot you want. They turn independantly.
you can have a flat or steep shoulder with any type of pivot you want. They turn independantly.
jenhaoyen
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Brian said I had too much lean on my backswing towards my rightside
I can never really get a steep shoulder turn. Now i have a steeper shoulder turn everything works out great.
Jim Kobylinski
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True there are tendecies towards flat/steep shoulder turns but you can easily still lean right and have a steep turn and/or reverse pivot with flat shoulders.
That's what i'm trying to say, it's independent.
That's what i'm trying to say, it's independent.
Notorious B.E.N.
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Why is Tiger's shoulder turn steeper back here in 2000?
Was this a better way to swing for him?
on one hand...
...i think it is really dangerous to take one snapshot of one swing from a random angle and generalize for guys at that level...one rarely knows the situation, type of shot, etc. that the player might be trying to accomplish...on the other hand, iirc, he was playing pretty well at that time
...i think it is really dangerous to take one snapshot of one swing from a random angle and generalize for guys at that level...one rarely knows the situation, type of shot, etc. that the player might be trying to accomplish...on the other hand, iirc, he was playing pretty well at that time
birdie_man
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Looks like a pretty standard picture of "Butch Tiger" to me hcw........no?
He said once that that Open was the best he ever hit it BTW. (not sure if it still stands)
He said once that that Open was the best he ever hit it BTW. (not sure if it still stands)
Notorious B.E.N.
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Here it is again. Was he swinging better back then because of a steeper should turn
Which meant he couldn't come too much from the inside?
Here it is again. Was he swinging better back then because of a steeper should turn
Which meant he couldn't come too much from the inside?
that could well be the case. in the second picture tiger is laid off, a classic effort from a good player to prevent overly inside-out strike. they look fairly similar in terms of steepness, but on the right hes probably flatter
I think that the camera angle is off. He's set up open in relation to the camera's line in the second pic. He may in fact be laid some but you can't really tell if he actually is, or by how much, because of the camera angle.
That's why it can be harmful to look at still photos of swings in order to make assessments. If you aren't comparing apples to apples, mistakes can be made.
i know camera angles can be deceiving, but during this time in his career tiger WAS laid off. guarentee
thefuture37
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how would being laid off make it less likely to come from inside out?
ok. Cool.
because the clubs plane makes it harder to work the club flatter and below plane. slicers usually get laid off at the top and start down OTT. why do you think brian made the soft DRAW pattern across the line?
Jim Kobylinski
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To fix people who LAY IT OFF and swing TOO INSIDE/OUT!
Sorry but you are wrong...the more layed off you are the more prone you are to coming too inside/out.
jenhaoyen
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that's what i thought.
im sorry jim, but i respectfully disagree. i always thought that being laid off was a natural reaction of decent players to sub-conciously fix their own inside-out impact.
i personally think that being across the line facilitates swinging more inside out - hence its use in the soft draw pattern
jenhaoyen
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hmm...
The way i see is
Traditional pop up way: You loop from outside and downswing from inside
Brian's way: you loop from inside then come outside
So...it has nothing to do with soft draw pattern?
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