Float loading

[curtisj76]

I believe this what Brian demonstrated in his "confessions" video correct? I've been trying this while swinging into a impact bag. It seems like I can really whack it this way. Since no ball flight it's hard to see the results. My only concern is accuracy. It seems like there is more movement in my swing which would possible lead to accuracy problems. Should I be concerned or am I looking into this too much? Thanks

 

[Brian Manzella]

As long as you don't OVERload it, and you can still produce the same (or better) hinge action, "fly at it."

 

[bcoak]

Is float loading the move that Sergio does on the downswing?

 

[birdie_man]

Yes sir.

Also known as Downstroke Loading. Not much set in the Back Stroke.....add it on the Down Stroke.

 

[bew69]

After reading someone's recent post (Brian?), I went to the local golfdome to hit short pitches with no wristcock on the backswing, while float loading on the downswing (I often use an impact bag this way). Well, I proceeded to shank the first half dozen shots. The same thing happened in my basement net (almost killed myself with some of the ricochets off the furnace!).

I never shank and wonder what was causing it. Any ideas? I think that maybe I was leading with the hosel and needed to make sure the left wrist was flat at impact and facing the target.

I'd like to continue with the float loading but not at the risk of developing a phobia about the sh***ks.

Bruce

 

[shootin4par]

quote:Originally posted by bew69

After reading someone's recent post (Brian?), I went to the local golfdome to hit short pitches with no wristcock on the backswing, while float loading on the downswing (I often use an impact bag this way). Well, I proceeded to shank the first half dozen shots. The same thing happened in my basement net (almost killed myself with some of the ricochets off the furnace!).

I never shank and wonder what was causing it. Any ideas? I think that maybe I was leading with the hosel and needed to make sure the left wrist was flat at impact and facing the target.

I'd like to continue with the float loading but not at the risk of developing a phobia about the sh***ks.
Bruce

is it possible that you are shifting too far left on the downswing when doing this?

 

[Bono]

quote:Originally posted by bew69

After reading someone's recent post (Brian?), I went to the local golfdome to hit short pitches with no wristcock on the backswing, while float loading on the downswing (I often use an impact bag this way). Well, I proceeded to shank the first half dozen shots. The same thing happened in my basement net (almost killed myself with some of the ricochets off the furnace!).

I never shank and wonder what was causing it. Any ideas? I think that maybe I was leading with the hosel and needed to make sure the left wrist was flat at impact and facing the target.

I'd like to continue with the float loading but not at the risk of developing a phobia about the sh***ks.

Bruce

Hi Bruce...

I suggest you discard float loading. Shanks are caused by an offplane motion - the hosel is leading the shaft. Give that your shanks occur when float loading, you most likely are 'holding' the wristcock too long...

Stay onplane. Roll the hands - dont hold the wristcock. See what that does for you.

-Patrick

 

[bew69]

Patrick and Shooting4Par --

Thanks for the replies. And yes, I'm sure that I've been getting ahead of the ball with my upper body on those shots.

We'll how today's trip to the Golfdome works.

Bruce

 

[tongzilla]

Never try to cock more on the downstroke with your wrists.

 

[MizunoJoe]

quote:Originally posted by tongzilla

Never try to cock more on the downstroke with your wrists.

Never? There are good players who do it! What better way to not lose wristcock on the way down than to increase it?

 

[Tom Bartlett]

You have to be careful when float loading. I have found in my own experience that if you aren't truly monitoring your hands when you float it, the shaft can slide off of the #3 pressure point an voila a shank. If you try to float load while the club shaft and sweet spot are "in line" is when this usually happens. The club will want to slide towards the v between the forefinger and thumb. Other things can cause a shank but in my experience while trying to float load this is the number 1 cause.

 

[MizunoJoe]

Now that I've reread the post, I think he's advising not to try to downcock with direct wrist effort.

 

[tongzilla]

quote:Originally posted by MizunoJoe

quote:Originally posted by tongzilla

Never try to cock more on the downstroke with your wrists.

Never? There are good players who do it! What better way to not lose wristcock on the way down than to increase it?

I knew someone would say that! You saw my pattern MJ (http://www.manzellagolfforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2825) so you should know better!

I should've emphasised "with your wrists"

 

[MizunoJoe]

quote:Originally posted by tongzilla

quote:Originally posted by MizunoJoe

quote:Originally posted by tongzilla

Never try to cock more on the downstroke with your wrists.

Never? There are good players who do it! What better way to not lose wristcock on the way down than to increase it?

I knew someone would say that! You saw my pattern MJ (http://www.manzellagolfforum.com/forum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=2825) so you should know better!

I should've emphasised "with your wrists"

See the post above - I just realized what you meant.

 

[MizunoJoe]

quote:Originally posted by DD639

You have to be careful when float loading. I have found in my own experience that if you aren't truly monitoring your hands when you float it, the shaft can slide off of the #3 pressure point an voila a shank. If you try to float load while the club shaft and sweet spot are "in line" is when this usually happens. The club will want to slide towards the v between the forefinger and thumb. Other things can cause a shank but in my experience while trying to float load this is the number 1 cause.

That's an interesting point about the shaft and sweetspot in line causing shanks when floating. This would mean that pivot control hands Swingers would be in dangerous territory when trying to float?

 

[Tom Bartlett]

That's an interesting point about the shaft and sweetspot in line causing shanks when floating. This would mean that pivot control hands Swingers would be in dangerous territory when trying to float?
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No, I don't think so. This slipping usually happens because of poor grip, over roll or bent left wrist.

 

[tongzilla]

The Pivot Controlled Hands Swinger/Hitter will be in "dangerous territory" anyway, regardless of what their Pattern is.

(This would probably require another thread )

 

[Non-AuthorizedTGM]

Since you were talking float loading ..I felt it was important to see what Homer had to say...


10-19-B DOWNSTROKE (OR FLOAT) LOADING This procedure delays the Wristcock until the Start Down and completes it as specified by the Stroke Pattern Assembly Point Component. “Float Loading” also describes this procedure - especially the sensations, because the Cocking motion should not be at all sharp, but gentle, or even lazy. With a “Frozen Wrist” procedure (10-3-K) the Downstroke Cocking Action is limited to increasing the Right Elbow Bend only.

Assembly, Loading and Release are usually accomplished simulataneously, then with a Flicking action - automatic or non-automatic - continues as either Drive or Drag Loading, designating it as either 19-B/A or 19-B/C. And use corresponding Short Shot recommendations.

Downstroke Loading (7-19-2) must set up either Radial Acceleration per 10-19-A or Longitudinal Acceleration per 10-19-C for the corresponding Release procedure.

Quitting and/or collapse of the Wrist alignments and structure need special attention here for Clubhead Throwaway prevention.

 

[tongzilla]

quote:Originally posted by Non-AuthorizedTGM


Quitting and/or collapse of the Wrist alignments and structure need special attention here for Clubhead Throwaway prevention.

That is, destroying the Flying Wedges, especially Cocking the Right Wrist as I see many who try and Float Load do.

 

[Dr_J]

My main problem when trying to float load is losing extensor action. I try to let my wrists be loose to really feel the load and I guess that feeling migrates to my right elbow.