Flying Wedges?? What are they?

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6bee1dee

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quote:Originally posted by 300Drive

http://www.southerngolf.com/0202-feb/inst0202.htm

I saw this and also saw some discussion of flying wedges in TGM. So, is it a drill? Is it a swing procedure? Is it a concept? What are/is Flying Wedges and how is it suppose to help a golfers swing or swing concept?

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He called his drill with is a good one "Flying Wedges" after the angles formed by the Thrid Power Accumlator. That drill made you extend the wedges thru an aiming point. I know you don't have a book- you should, unless you just like jerking our chains here. The shaft line of the club and the wrist (right bent, left straight) form a triangle, a wedge. Drive those wedges, the hands, to an aiming point pivot into impact. Check Brian's pitch clip. BUY A BOOK.
 
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Hey bud, the best golf lessons i ever had, looking back, were TGM inspired without ever knowing it. Lighten up on the "get the book" crap. Read Yoda's quote about "holding court". Ron's article is a beautiful example of imbedding truth for selfless purposes.
 
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300Drive

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quote:Originally posted by 6bee1dee

quote:Originally posted by 300Drive

http://www.southerngolf.com/0202-feb/inst0202.htm

I saw this and also saw some discussion of flying wedges in TGM. So, is it a drill? Is it a swing procedure? Is it a concept? What are/is Flying Wedges and how is it suppose to help a golfers swing or swing concept?

Thanks
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He called his drill with is a good one "Flying Wedges" after the angles formed by the Thrid Power Accumlator. That drill made you extend the wedges thru an aiming point. I know you don't have a book- you should, unless you just like jerking our chains here. The shaft line of the club and the wrist (right bent, left straight) form a triangle, a wedge. Drive those wedges, the hands, to an aiming point pivot into impact. Check Brian's pitch clip. BUY A BOOK.
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I have A BOOK (the Golfing machine in fact), but, really have little interest in reading the D_mn thing! I want to improve MY</u> golf swing, not know The Book (pp03, accumulate to the floor, 12-01-01, extensor around the power package, blah, blah, etc, etc. If I really wanted to "know the book" I'd spend a lot more time in a different site) 6bee1dee, I have no desire to "jerk our chains" Do YOU speak for all who post here, NO. In fact, whenever I post, please dont respond since you seem to have an inability to be positive about MY posting. Just ignore it, and have a great day (I mean that...have a great day).

By the way, thanks for the explaination of what the wedge is, and the intention of driving it through the aiming point, that was helpful.
 
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FanofHogan

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FGI= F'ed up golf info! :) Good luck wading through the mindless drivel of posts about hitting their Nemesis drivers so far they had to lengthen their home courses, and start playing gutta perhca balls.
 
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6bee1dee

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It's pretty hard to discuss TGM without Homer's work at hand. If you think reading or understanding what is written CANNOT help your swing, you are wrong. You keep asking questions about TGM, read it.
 
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300Drive

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quote:Originally posted by 6bee1dee

It's pretty hard to discuss TGM without Homer's work in hand. If you think reading or understanding what is written CANNOT help your swing, you are wrong. You keep asking questions about TGM, read it.
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I read and post on this site because 1) I thoroghly enjoy what Brian brings to the table. He is NOT hell bent on referencing TGM page by page, technical term by technical term. 2) Others on this site also provide me with good quality information and help. I love the concepts and principles TGM provide, so yes, I often ask about them. I like it best when conveyed by a good communicator and good teacher who does not have a snobish "air" that if you are not "well read" about TGM, you are not worth talking to.

I prefer NOT to read the book, although I do have it. I post and read on this site to get better as a player and I dont not believe its necessary to be "well steeped" in the technical details of TGM to improve (It certainly would not hurt I admit). Many other voices on this site also provide quality information (with a basis in or connection to TGM) without getting technical, per say. That I enjoy.

I am a CPA with an MBA, functioning in a technical finance function (CFO) who also spent 4 straight years doing technical white papers and research on accounting/finance matters for a fortune 500 company. I could read and understand the stupid book if I chose to. Golf for me is a hobby that I thoroughly enjoy. I have no desire to get overly technical with this hobby, given my technical history with my profession. Otherwise, this would not be enjoyable to ME......So, if YOU require technical discussion (about golf), great for you. Continue to enjoy!
 
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FanofHogan

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I have to admit, I have an MSME and I find the book confusing. Yoda is pretty steeped in TGM and yet I find his posts a little wordy and if broken down into only the necessary words, would be better. I know that is sacrilige to say, but just how I feel. Brian does convey the terms in modern day easy to understand language wich is his strong suit. Maybe I am lazy and just want someone to tell me what the Book says.
 
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mb6606

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"the Book" contains everything. It is based on 30+ years of study in physical science. Homer left the subjective non (sense)science out. It is a text for the instructor or student who wants to comprehend every possible method of golf swing. Homer's genuis text created a new universal golf swing language that can be conveyed from instructor to instructor. In my mind an major contribution to the Golf world that has been overlooked .

The Yoda posts are lucid, valuable keys to understanding "the Book". Once you comprehend hinging, the multiple plane(s), lag, accumulator #3, paddle wheel, exstensor the fog lifts. You understand what it means to use your "educated hands" to "obliterate the plane line".
 
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EdZ

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Agreed that Yoda is one of the only folks I've seen that can convey TGM in simpler terms, while still relating it to the book. Others can convey it more simply, if you don't care to 'master' the book TGM, but if you do, Yoda can do nothing but help you.

At an absolute minimum, you really owe it to yourself to understand the three imparatives, and lag pressure points. From there, all you need to understand is the 'swing' of the entire club, and BALANCE.

And if you don't care about the details, and just want to 'let' them happen, read Knudson, and use Hogan for any details you want to check up on. 'Swing' a HEAVY club in BALANCE ;)
 
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300Drive

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quote:Originally posted by EdZ

Agreed that Yoda is one of the only folks I've seen that can convey TGM in simpler terms, while still relating it to the book. Others can convey it more simply, if you don't care to 'master' the book TGM, but if you do, Yoda can do nothing but help you.

At an absolute minimum, you really owe it to yourself to understand the three imparatives, and lag pressure points. From there, all you need to understand is the 'swing' of the entire club, and BALANCE.

And if you don't care about the details, and just want to 'let' them happen, read Knudson, and use Hogan for any details you want to check up on. 'Swing' a HEAVY club in BALANCE ;)
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Totally agree with post. Also do understand some of the basics. I read Hebron, Knutson, Hogan....also Dunnigan and Faldo and a few others. Ron Gring and Stickney, Bender, Manzella, even some C. Evans stuff (his site is more than I really want to read though). Have 3 of Doyles tapes (original, facts & illusion tape and a rental) just ordered Brians. So, I do understand many of the basics because I know how valuable they are to me.
 
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6bee1dee

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quote:Originally posted by 300Drive

quote:Originally posted by EdZ

Agreed that Yoda is one of the only folks I've seen that can convey TGM in simpler terms, while still relating it to the book. Others can convey it more simply, if you don't care to 'master' the book TGM, but if you do, Yoda can do nothing but help you.

At an absolute minimum, you really owe it to yourself to understand the three imparatives, and lag pressure points. From there, all you need to understand is the 'swing' of the entire club, and BALANCE.

And if you don't care about the details, and just want to 'let' them happen, read Knudson, and use Hogan for any details you want to check up on. 'Swing' a HEAVY club in BALANCE ;)
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Totally agree with post. Also do understand some of the basics. I read Hebron, Knutson, Hogan....also Dunnigan and Faldo and a few others. Ron Gring and Stickney, Bender, Manzella, even some C. Evans stuff (his site is more than I really want to read though). Have 3 of Doyles tapes (original, facts & illusion tape and a rental) just ordered Brians. So, I do understand many of the basics because I know how valuable they are to me.
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If you have all that stuff, your question was sophmoric at best. If you couldn't figure out flying wedges with the Doyle tapes, then what the fc.uk would any of us do for you? Ben might be the best on the planet. BTW, did you copy the rental or keep it?
 
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FanofHogan

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quote:Originally posted by EdZ

quote:Originally posted by FanofHogan

FGI= F'ed up golf info! :) Good luck wading through the mindless drivel of posts about hitting their Nemesis drivers so far they had to lengthen their home courses, and start playing gutta perhca balls.
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Have you read my article?

http://www.freegolfinfo.com/forums/...ith_the_Force,_Riding_the_Rim/m_704328/tm.htm
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No because I refuse to waste my time on that forum. not saying anything bad about your article. For all I know it is a good one. I just choose not to go to that site anymore. Just a big waste of time.
 
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6bee1dee

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quote:Originally posted by mb6606

"the Book" contains everything. It is based on 30+ years of study in physical science. Homer left the subjective non (sense)science out. It is a text for the instructor or student who wants to comprehend every possible method of golf swing. Homer's genuis text created a new universal golf swing language that can be conveyed from instructor to instructor. In my mind an major contribution to the Golf world that has been overlooked .

The Yoda posts are lucid, valuable keys to understanding "the Book". Once you comprehend hinging, the multiple plane(s), lag, accumulator #3, paddle wheel, exstensor the fog lifts. You understand what it means to use your "educated hands" to "obliterate the plane line".
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Well put, mb6606.

The book is easier to read then James Joyce's Ulysses with each chapter written in a different style and dialect. Or reading Don Quixote in the original Spanish. But it is tougher then the TV guide or watching re-runs of South Park. I needed the help of some outstanding posts in both TGM forums and this one before the dumbing down by some, which isn't a bad thing, but they seem to be so frigging resentful at times, before I understood a lot of it. But as mb6606 pointed out, once you learn a few BASIC terms and procedures, much of it falls into place. And with several Doyle tapes, it should be extra easy.
 
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cdog

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I try to read any site that will help me understand that dang book.

my question is ...what the heck is paddlewheel motion??? I finally found out fanning is like clapping....can someone give me a visual?
 
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6bee1dee

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quote:Originally posted by cdog

I try to read any site that will help me understand that dang book.

my question is ...what the heck is paddlewheel motion??? I finally found out fanning is like clapping....can someone give me a visual?
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Put a paddlewheel from a river boat on a 45 degree angle, a ball at the low point. Same with a club. Paddle-Wheel is a ANGLE HINGE action. It strikes the ball more like horizontal hinging, to me anyway, then vertical, which is what I once believed paddlewheel motion was. There is a slight closing of the clubface as the paddle-Wheel rotates with the pivot. This is a great great chipping motion.

This entire post was written in good faith and with a smile.
 
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300Drive

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quote:Originally posted by 6bee1dee

quote:Originally posted by 300Drive

quote:Originally posted by EdZ

Agreed that Yoda is one of the only folks I've seen that can convey TGM in simpler terms, while still relating it to the book. Others can convey it more simply, if you don't care to 'master' the book TGM, but if you do, Yoda can do nothing but help you.

At an absolute minimum, you really owe it to yourself to understand the three imparatives, and lag pressure points. From there, all you need to understand is the 'swing' of the entire club, and BALANCE.

And if you don't care about the details, and just want to 'let' them happen, read Knudson, and use Hogan for any details you want to check up on. 'Swing' a HEAVY club in BALANCE ;)
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Totally agree with post. Also do understand some of the basics. I read Hebron, Knutson, Hogan....also Dunnigan and Faldo and a few others. Ron Gring and Stickney, Bender, Manzella, even some C. Evans stuff (his site is more than I really want to read though). Have 3 of Doyles tapes (original, facts & illusion tape and a rental) just ordered Brians. So, I do understand many of the basics because I know how valuable they are to me.
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If you have all that stuff, your question was sophmoric at best. If you couldn't figure out flying wedges with the Doyle tapes, then what the fc.uk would any of us do for you? Ben might be the best on the planet. BTW, did you copy the rental or keep it?
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Now now now...temper temper temper..."what the fc.uk would any of us...US.." I can assure you that YOU dont speak for the rest of the forum. YOU are the only one having a problem with me posting. I am trying to be constructive in my dialouge with you. Please re-read and adhere to the following from before</u>......"Do YOU speak for all who post here, NO. In fact, whenever I post, please dont respond since you seem to have an inability to be positive about MY posting. Just ignore it, and have a great day (I mean that...have a great day)"

Last discussion with you..You wrote: " It's pretty hard to discuss TGM without Homer's work in hand" Sounds like a total Dork of the highest caliber, you know, a geek of geeks. Nerdish. Homers work in hand..hahahahaha. You and Homer have a great time tonight :D
 
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