Flying Wedges?? What are they?

[6bee1dee]

quote:Originally posted by 300Drive

quote:Originally posted by 6bee1dee

quote:Originally posted by 300Drive

quote:Originally posted by EdZ

Agreed that Yoda is one of the only folks I've seen that can convey TGM in simpler terms, while still relating it to the book. Others can convey it more simply, if you don't care to 'master' the book TGM, but if you do, Yoda can do nothing but help you.

At an absolute minimum, you really owe it to yourself to understand the three imparatives, and lag pressure points. From there, all you need to understand is the 'swing' of the entire club, and BALANCE.

And if you don't care about the details, and just want to 'let' them happen, read Knudson, and use Hogan for any details you want to check up on. 'Swing' a HEAVY club in BALANCE

Totally agree with post. Also do understand some of the basics. I read Hebron, Knutson, Hogan....also Dunnigan and Faldo and a few others. Ron Gring and Stickney, Bender, Manzella, even some C. Evans stuff (his site is more than I really want to read though). Have 3 of Doyles tapes (original, facts & illusion tape and a rental) just ordered Brians. So, I do understand many of the basics because I know how valuable they are to me.

If you have all that stuff, your question was sophmoric at best. If you couldn't figure out flying wedges with the Doyle tapes, then what the fc.uk would any of us do for you? Ben might be the best on the planet. BTW, did you copy the rental or keep it?

Now now now...temper temper temper..."what the fc.uk would any of us...US.." I can assure you that YOU dont speak for the rest of the forum. YOU are the only one having a problem with me posting. I am trying to be constructive in my dialouge with you. Please re-read and adhere to the following from before</u>......"Do YOU speak for all who post here, NO. In fact, whenever I post, please dont respond since you seem to have an inability to be positive about MY posting. Just ignore it, and have a great day (I mean that...have a great day)"

Last discussion with you..You wrote: " It's pretty hard to discuss TGM without Homer's work in hand" Sounds like a total Dork of the highest caliber, you know, a geek of geeks. Nerdish. Homers work in hand..hahahahaha. You and Homer have a great time tonight

Hahah, you are one screwed up dude. When I told you to read the Manzella articles, you said not good enough. When I said read the book, not good enough. I can play a decent round of golf. You with all those tapes- still ask, how do I chip? Duh? What a azzhole.

And how can someone watch even 15 minutes of a Ben Doyle tape, and you have two and one stolen, and can't figure out the basic of information, is beyond me. And others have asked the question if you ever read or have a copy of the book. Not just me, so it is WE. Try this gaylord, don't read my posts.

 

[southpaw]

Great, but... what are the Flying Wedges?

 

[6bee1dee]

quote:Originally posted by southpaw

Great, but... what are the Flying Wedges?

When you hold the club, a triangle is form from the line of the shaft and the lines of the hand and wrist. The right wedge is easier to see then the left. Doyle showed this easily put holding the club with right hand only and putting a Styrofoam cup between the angle of the right bent wrist and the shaft. The left is similar.

The wedges remain wedges when, the Left Wrist is always vertical and flat, and the Right Wrist is always level and bent. If you lose the wedges, the swing falls apart. You lose the wedges by flipping the left wrist or by losing the bend in the right wrist. These wedges rotate “on plane” by the pivot to an aiming point.

 

[mb6606]

Put a paddlewheel from a river boat on a 45 degree angle, a ball at the low point. Same with a club. Paddle-Wheel is a ANGLE HINGE action. It strikes the ball more like horizontal hinging, to me anyway, then vertical, which is what I once believed paddlewheel motion was. There is a slight closing of the clubface as the paddle-Wheel rotates with the pivot. This is a great great chipping motion.
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I would add: With your right hand only at the top of the swing with it's bent wrist is shaped like a paddle. Now (keep the right wrist bent) drive/thrust that right hand paddle directly down into the ball or aiming point. This is the exact same motion as a paddle wheel (on an angle) on an old Mississippi steam powered paddle wheel river boat. A perfect description to describe the action again the genuis of Homer.

 

[DivotDelite]

quote:I would add: With your right hand only at the top of the swing with it's bent wrist is shaped like a paddle. Now (keep the right wrist bent) drive/thrust that right hand paddle directly down into the ball or aiming point.

Good,descriptive image. Is it the right wrist that is being thrust/driven, or the lag pressure point on the right index finger?Or both? A pitch motion states a wrist slapping motion as the above description would indicate, and drag loading says the lag is loaded onto the #3 pressure point and thrust to the aiming point.

What is working best for me lately is visualizing that my solid, flat, strong left wrist, and back of my left hand are driving the ball into the ground. A left -handed paddlewheel.

 

[mb6606]

Your #3 pressure point is the actual feel/aiming/lag device. The thrust comes from the arm, elbow, triceps, shoulders, upper back muscles. The right hand motion mimics the paddle wheel description. Maintaining the bent right wrist and #3 pressure point being the key.

 

[EdZ]

From the article I have posted on FGI.....

The second drill (The EdZ drill).

This one sums up a lot of the swing feels in one drill.


* Stand at address, no club, arms hanging, in balance
* make a fist with your left hand, and point your thumb to your right (away from the the target)
* make a 'V' with your right hand, split your middle and ring fingers, ala 'spock' (live long and prosper) and put that 'V' over the base of your left thumb

Your hands will look like this: -|

NOTE: THIS IS THE FLYING WEDGE (more below)

(your left and right respectively)


Now just practice 'swinging' back and through, 'let' your hands rotate and feel everything staying in synch with your chest. Keep your hands in the -| relationship going back, and let them rotate through.

Feel your left arm 'line' and plane (like a tailor was measuring you for a jacket)

Feel the right hand/palm staying on plane (basically faces the ball until hip high).

Feel the right wrist bending back to the forearm - the 'tray' feel

Feel the 'throw' of the right hand down the line.

Feel your elbows staying close together.

Feel the 'post' of the right leg - Important: keep the same flex in the right knee!!!

that one thought will really help you. putting a ball under the right foot is a great way to practice and get that 'solid' right leg - very important!

This drill does many things, one if which is give the ‘swinger’s’ feel of the left hand, and the ‘hitter’s’ feel of the right hand
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A few words on TGM……

To understand the "flying wedges" concept in TGM, read my "EdZ" drills again, and how that relates to the 'riding the rim' image. The drill with the split right hand fingers over the left thumb (hands like this -|). The second one, with fingers interlocked, thumbs pointing away from you as well.

Basically, it is PP#1 that rides the rim, the point where the two lines meet. That is the 'wedge'.

In the second version (fingers interlocked as if you were going to boost someone up - ride the 'outside' of the wheel. The point at the base of the fingers is the 'wedge' that rides the rim (note - THIS is why Moe Norman's swing worked so well, look at his grip, and imagine this 'wedge')

The first gives you more of a 'hitting' feel, the second more of a 'swinging' feel (more rotation).

Watch good players, you'll see it.

Imagine that rim is about as wide as your hand, and 'grab the edges' of the inside of the rim so that your palm is riding the inside of it and your thumb and fingers are on its edge.

The left thumb rides the rim, the right palm rides the rim.

Right wrist straight back on the plane of the rim, and spin that wheel with the body. Forget about the hands once you've set them, just spin the wheel, think TARGET and BALANCE.

copyright EdZ 2004

full article here:

http://www.freegolfinfo.com/forums/...ith_the_Force,_Riding_the_Rim/m_704328/tm.htm

 

[southpaw]

Thanks, 6bee1dee.

 

[mgjordan]

You all need to chill out about knowing the book. You can't possibly tell me that most of the best players in the world know the first thing about much of the stuff presented in TGM. Some want to improve their game, some want to know how their swing relates to TGM, some want to know the entire book cover to cover. IT DOESN'T MATTER. Each person should be able to get their own enjoyment from this site. Knowing the book isn't required to be a good player. Knowing the book also won't make you a good player. If knowing everything about TGM cover to cover made you good, then the PGA Tour would be filled with geometry geniouses, physics professors, and biomechanic engineers. The last time I checked, it wasn't.

 

[6bee1dee]

quote:Originally posted by mgjordan

You all need to chill out about knowing the book. You can't possibly tell me that most of the best players in the world know the first thing about much of the stuff presented in TGM. Some want to improve their game, some want to know how their swing relates to TGM, some want to know the entire book cover to cover. IT DOESN'T MATTER. Each person should be able to get their own enjoyment from this site. Knowing the book isn't required to be a good player. Knowing the book also won't make you a good player. If knowing everything about TGM cover to cover made you good, then the PGA Tour would be filled with geometry geniouses, physics professors, and biomechanic engineers. The last time I checked, it wasn't.

In my past posts to questions that involved TGM by asking questions about specific "Golfing Machine" terms. I have always suggested reading, or getting a book. If you ask in specific terms, no better way then to read the original. This is where Brian and many others on this forum learned. It is still the best way to learn.

Now, in response, I was always ridiculed. Big deal. I then and only then fought back to this nonsense. You don’t want to accept a suggestion- fine. But if you use TGM terms, a TGM answer is not unreasonable. The only thing unreasonable has been the responses.

 

[mgjordan]

If someone reads an article referring to the flying wedges and askes what the flying wedges are, then why not just tell them without passing judgement. "Read the book" isn't an answer. You are coming across like "read the book and know it or you suck". That doesn't do much for a.) youself b.) the person c.) the reputation of the TGM literate. If (insert your favorite Tour player here) asked you what the #1 pressure point was, would you tell him to read the book or would you just tell him? I have been looking around golf forums for several years now and when many TGM people started popping up, there was confrontation. Everyone was saying how TGM people were a**holes and I tried to defend them. More and more now, I am seeing how many TGM people really are arrogant a**holes. Nobody is questioning the validity of the information. It is the way many present themselves and their answers.

If you had a kid learning how to walk, would you beat the sh*t out of him everytime he fell down for not doing it right or would you be supportive and helpful? Learning TGM is very much like learning how to walk. It is a tough book to read and get into. If you keep the snobbish, arrogant, a**hole posts you will drive people away from the book, not bring them in.

 

[6bee1dee]

quote:Originally posted by mgjordan

If someone reads an article referring to the flying wedges and askes what the flying wedges are, then why not just tell them without passing judgement. "Read the book" isn't an answer. You are coming across like "read the book and know it or you suck". That doesn't do much for a.) youself b.) the person c.) the reputation of the TGM literate. If (insert your favorite Tour player here) asked you what the #1 pressure point was, would you tell him to read the book or would you just tell him? I have been looking around golf forums for several years now and when many TGM people started popping up, there was confrontation. Everyone was saying how TGM people were a**holes and I tried to defend them. More and more now, I am seeing how many TGM people really are arrogant a**holes. Nobody is questioning the validity of the information. It is the way many present themselves and their answers.

If you had a kid learning how to walk, would you beat the sh*t out of him everytime he fell down for not doing it right or would you be supportive and helpful? Learning TGM is very much like learning how to walk. It is a tough book to read and get into. If you keep the snobbish, arrogant, a**hole posts you will drive people away from the book, not bring them in.

I explained and answered the questions, FIRST. And in FULL. I NEVER past judgement. The LAST thing I said was read the book because we were talking about TGM terms. I never started off telling anyone to read or buy the book, first. And they were NOT writen in angry, I'm tired of putting smiley faces everywhere . THE RESPONSES WERE ATTACKS - NOT MY POSTS. Only after being attacked did I get get pissed and that was at one person who past HIS judgement that Homer Kelly and TGMers who learn from him are jerks.

If a "pro" was explained any TGM term, he would understand it immeditatly, because he does it already. And yes, I'd tell the "pro" to get a book and check it out. Why not?

 

[mb6606]

"In G.O.L.F. and in life we tend to kill the messenger when presented with unpleasant news. But that doesn't change the way things actually are. No matter how we perceive them to be or how we want them to be, they will remain just as they actually are. As Homer often said, "Science takes the 'seems as if' out of things." " Yoda Jan 2004

 

[mgjordan]

"Only after being attacked did I get get pissed and that was at one person who past HIS judgement that Homer Kelly and TGMers who learn from him are jerks."

I don't think anyone ever said that. Affiliation with TGM doesn't make someone a jerk. The way they act makes them a jerk. I have met several TGMers who were very nice people and not jerks, but many of the posters on the TGM forums aren't very considerate.

 

[drewitgolf]

Let us not judge a man because of the initials that he is associated with (A.I., GSEB, GSEM, GSED, PGA, TGM, etc.) but on the content of his information and how he presents it.
Actually, we would all be better off if we didn't judge at all. Homer used objective information and presented in objective manner. Hopefully, you find this post objective, LOL.

 

[EaglesNest]

quote:Originally posted by FanofHogan

FGI= F'ed up golf info! Good luck wading through the mindless drivel of posts about hitting their Nemesis drivers so far they had to lengthen their home courses, and start playing gutta perhca balls.

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