Footage of Sergio's Tumble

[Kevin Shields]

Didn't Homer go into all this tumbler stuff with regard to the number 3 accumulator and hinge

No, cuz you cant tumble with the club tracing the baseline. He never covered where the butt end must go in the transition and early downswing in order to have #3 acc roll done properly.

 

[Kevin Shields]

I am not against the tumble.I think it is a very good thing but other parts of the swing must fit in with it.In my opinion,you need a laid off transition to use it.I can't see how it can work with a steep transition.

Where have you been all this time? You are correct but this has been covered a trillion times.

 

[Kevin Shields]

There is something to the tumble move, I will have to study it more to understand it.

Today on the range a friend of mine who knows many of the GTE's here looked at my swing and gave me an idea that I had not heard before. I bring the club down from the top to much behind (no carry) and from the inside and often lag the hosel. I compensate with a strong grip and a relatively timed flip to get that face square.

Today he showed me if I work the handle of the club correctly the clubhead will naturally tumble over. It did. Was not below plane at all. It felt like I would hook it but when I trusted it the shots were extremely well struck, even for the lofty standards of this forum.

I don't really understand it all so I need to do some reading but there is something to it.

Also exorcizing the demons of the strong right hand grip. Do not be seduced by the evil that comes with it!

 

[Lindsey Newman]

I am not against the tumble.I think it is a very good thing but other parts of the swing must fit in with it.In my opinion,you need a laid off transition to use it.I can't see how it can work with a steep transition.

What does work with a steep transition?

 

[ej20]

Where have you been all this time? You are correct but this has been covered a trillion times.

Oh I must have missed reading that discussion.Sorry.

 

[ej20]

What does work with a steep transition?

Reverse tumble.This usually leads to underplane issues but is a good players problem.

 

[gmbtempe]

Where have you been all this time? You are correct but this has been covered a trillion times.

Doesn't Petterson have a steep transition, kinda steep to off plane, club then tumbles back onto plane?

 

[footwedge]

Didn't Homer go into all this tumbler stuff with regard to the number 3 accumulator and hinge

Tumbler stuff? Bullet/bucket, it's called tumble and please point out in the yellow book where that is mentioned, by the way I read your post at Newton , let it go, no one care's. Oh! your new screen name fits perfectly.

 

[Lifter]

There is something to the tumble move, I will have to study it more to understand it.

Today on the range a friend of mine who knows many of the GTE's here looked at my swing and gave me an idea that I had not heard before. I bring the club down from the top to much behind (no carry) and from the inside and often lag the hosel. I compensate with a strong grip and a relatively timed flip to get that face square.

Today he showed me if I work the handle of the club correctly the clubhead will naturally tumble over. It did. Was not below plane at all. It felt like I would hook it but when I trusted it the shots were extremely well struck, even for the lofty standards of this forum.

I don't really understand it all so I need to do some reading but there is something to it.

Judging from my swing videos (and strong grip) do I do the same things that gmbtempe describes above?

 

[Kevin Shields]

Doesn't Petterson have a steep transition, kinda steep to off plane, club then tumbles back onto plane?

Yeah, the steep or across guys like him or Furyk lay it down in the early downswing then rip/tumble it hard from there. The TSP downswings usually have alot to none and twist the shaft more to square it up.

 

[lia41985]

Yeah, the steep or across guys like him or Furyk lay it down in the early downswing then rip/tumble it hard from there. The TSP downswings usually have alot to none and twist the shaft more to square it up.

Would that generally result in relatively lower VSP numbers, Kevin? That description of that downswing makes me think of Edoardo Molinari:
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[Lindsey Newman]

Reverse tumble.This usually leads to underplane issues but is a good players problem.

What!? I am shocked at this enlightenment...nah in all seriousness ej, I was being sarcastic

 

[Kevin Shields]

Would that generally result in relatively lower VSP numbers, Kevin? That description of that downswing makes me think of Edoardo Molinari:
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If anything makes you think of Edoardo Molinari, you're a true aficionado.

The TSP downswing, if dome without dropping under, should produce higher vsp numbers.

 

[lia41985]

The TSP downswing, if dome without dropping under, should produce higher vsp numbers.

That's why I'm still trying to wrap my head around the fact that the "Hogan model" has the club swinging at a higher VSP number per what Brian wrote here: http://www.brianmanzella.com/golfing-discussions/15072-nicklaus-hogan-model-question-re-vsp.html

 

[Kevin Shields]

He said....MAYBE the opposite. If the same person did a double shift inward left arm, tumble swing the vsp would be lower than the same person doing a proper single plane, toward the baseline TSP downswing.

Just sometimes looks are deceiving...thats what he meant.