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[Ringer]

Absolutely right BM.. you can see if the club is wrong by ball 2 or 3 if you pay any attention at all to the club and how it's being swung. Check the divots and you can see if there is a lie angle problem.... Spine tilt can be determined by length of club

The idea though that a good swing will always produce a good result is not correct. And that was the point.

If the equipment is bad then as a golf instructor I have to make a choice. Either teach a good swing and tell them to expect a bad result.... or teach them a swing that compensates for the equipment.

That's my objection to this statement...


You hit the ball with your swing...(regardless of what kind of shot you're playing you end up putting the club on the ball in one way or another)

Good swing = good result.

Bad swing = bad result.

You hit the ball with the CLUB.. not your swing. That makes a world of difference in feel, intention, and diagnosing the problem.

 

[Ringer]

Ringer i know that last statement is one of your whole hearted beliefs and if you want to discuss it please start a new thread.

BUT

As long as you have the CORRECT LIE ANGLE even poorly fit clubheads/shafts won't make that huge a difference. You can still produce great golfshots, they just may not travel as far as you want them too. If you want to debate me on this, let's start a new thread.

You have not seen this at work then. I consistently see people improve their swing INSTANTLY just by changing the club in their hands.

Dont forget we're dealing with weight, shaft flex, grip size, club length, loft, and lie angle.

Ever try putting a driver with 7 degrees of loft, a stiff shaft and D2 weighting in a senior citizens hands? Do that and tell me it doesn't make a big difference.

Equipment has EVERYTHING to do with this discussion.

 

[Erik_K]

You have not seen this at work then. I consistently see people improve their swing INSTANTLY just by changing the club in their hands.

Dont forget we're dealing with weight, shaft flex, grip size, club length, loft, and lie angle.

Ever try putting a driver with 7 degrees of loft, a stiff shaft and D2 weighting in a senior citizens hands? Do that and tell me it doesn't make a big difference.

Equipment has EVERYTHING to do with this discussion.

To an extent I agree with Ringer. At the very least grip size and shaft length should be properly adjusted. For YEARS I played with shafts that were too short and I was forced to develop a swing that instilled poor posture and some lower back pain during play/practice.

It's a Ying/Yang relation. Surely having properly fitted clubs makes teaching a little easier, but it's not the end-all be-all.

 

[solarbear]

Maybe I am not communicating (that would be a first?), Your question would be the latter, the 5 hours, but what I expect is for the golf instructor to explain what he is doing to my stroke, not just tell me to do something and this will make the ball go better.

*claps* I have had so many lessons where the pro told me to do something and didn't really explain its effect on my pattern or where the whole thing was going. If he is not going to teach me about my swing and just apply bandaids he is not worth paying. I have never returned to any of those pros for a 2nd lesson.

In regards to the interview debate. I think it has more to do with the teachers style than the students style of learning. Some teachers teach best watching their students intereacting with them guaging the next step that way, some like to get a plan in mind before they start teaching. I am guessing Brian likes to teach on the fly guaging what to do by the students reactions - intutive people are like that. Logical people prefer the other.

I always thought I was logical, but have recently realized I was making most of my better decisions at work via intution.

 

[birdie_man]

Absolutely right BM.. you can see if the club is wrong by ball 2 or 3 if you pay any attention at all to the club and how it's being swung. Check the divots and you can see if there is a lie angle problem.... Spine tilt can be determined by length of club

The idea though that a good swing will always produce a good result is not correct. And that was the point.

If the equipment is bad then as a golf instructor I have to make a choice. Either teach a good swing and tell them to expect a bad result.... or teach them a swing that compensates for the equipment.

That's my objection to this statement...


You hit the ball with your swing...(regardless of what kind of shot you're playing you end up putting the club on the ball in one way or another)

Good swing = good result.

Bad swing = bad result.

You hit the ball with the CLUB.. not your swing. That makes a world of difference in feel, intention, and diagnosing the problem.

Oh whoopty-doo.

Ringer....I know the club hits the ball.....

I knew someone was gonna say that...

....

All I'm saying is....why do you need an interview?

Man no one is disagreeing with you on needing a well-fit set of clubs.......

INTERVIEW.