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The sun is slowly but steadily rising less high every day announcing nearby off-season and with Brian’s new signature - putting the emphasis on snapping the kinetic chain - it would be appropriate and interesting to start delving a bit more into this matter from a scientific point of view.

There are indeed various interesting topics, such as, snapping the kinetic chain, slamming on the brakes, hitting into a solid lead side, standing up on one’s toes, compressing the trail side, swinging away from the target, pulling down vertically, swinging left beyond impact.

Hey, would it not be really fun if there would be someone around interested to look at all these various topics from a scientific point of view? It would allow tongzilla to ask his questions and others to show there genuine disinterest in it all. :D
 
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I would like for Brian to explain decel/ acel, and how to actually do it. Is it as simple as pivot braking to slow the body, and transferring momentum to the arms/hands? Is it something all together different?

I'm a drawer... sometimes hooker/ 'underplaner'*. Is swing left accomplished by opening your shoulders more at impact.
 
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DP3

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Looks like he gets power from this, like you mentioned in earlier post. His chain looks to be snapped at top of backswing.
 
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mandrin said:
The sun is slowly but steadily rising less high every day announcing nearby off-season and with Brian’s new signature - putting the emphasis on snapping the kinetic chain - it would be appropriate and interesting to start delving a bit more into this matter from a scientific point of view.

There are indeed various interesting topics, such as, snapping the kinetic chain, slamming on the brakes, hitting into a solid lead side, standing up on one’s toes, compressing the trail side, swinging away from the target, pulling down vertically, swinging left beyond impact.

Hey, would it not be really fun if there would be someone around interested to look at all these various topics from a scientific point of view? It would allow tongzilla to ask his questions and others to show there genuine disinterest in it all. :D
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mandrin, mandrin, mandrin,

Do you ever get tired of rehashing the same old crap again and again.

Oh Please explain the physics of the double pendulum to me one more time.

YAWN!
 
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Topic interest for Mandrin

I would like to know more about the ideal path of the hands to maximize clubhead speed. You have posted some of this info on the site, but I am still unclear what the path is? You stated that a release torque can be created with simply pulling on the club. Please expand on this topic or any of the topics listed at the beginning of this thread.

All of your hard work is much appreciated and I for one would like to thank you for being such a valuable asset to this forum!
 
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“Where ignorance is bliss,'Tis folly to be wise.”

libro said:
I would like to know more about the ideal path of the hands to maximize clubhead speed. You have posted some of this info on the site, but I am still unclear what the path is? You stated that a release torque can be created with simply pulling on the club. Please expand on this topic or any of the topics listed at the beginning of this thread.

All of your hard work is much appreciated and I for one would like to thank you for being such a valuable asset to this forum!
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libro,

I do very much appreciate your comments as they compensate for the immature and childish comments of some who probably can’t even count without using their fingers. I stopped previously posting on release there being not enough interest. These kind of posts take lots of time and I need some minimum amount of feedback to fuel my motivation.

Even now with +8000 membership there is sill a surprising low level of activity in the form of serious discussions/debates of various kinds. Perhaps since many nowadays are increasingly posting simply using copy-paste operations in lieu of using their own neurons and even showing surprising resistance to the few still thinking for themselves.

But I do like using science to explain various notions in golf. There is such a vast amount of nonsense around in golf hypnotizing for ever the gullible golfer into believing almost anything and everything. So I will probably post some more eventually. There are several interesting notions never really explained in a more objective scientific way.
 
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I have grown to respect Mandrin quite a lot and value his contributions. I think back to when I first joined the forum.....I was so proud that I had discovered something so concrete for my golf swing (TGM) that I would not and could not give someone credit who pointed out the errors.

I have hopefully grown in my golf swing knowledge and similarly learned a lesson for life that always having an open mind to criticism of your beliefs leads to true growth.
 
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glcoach said:
I have grown to respect mandrin quite a lot and value his contributions. I think back to when I first joined the forum.....I was so proud that I had discovered something so concrete for my golf swing (TGM) that I would not and could not give someone credit who pointed out the errors.

I have hopefully grown in my golf swing knowledge and similarly learned a lesson for life that always having an open mind to criticism of your beliefs leads to true growth.
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glcoach,

Your post largely compensates for, and it ‘burns it up’, the scummy stuff occasionally drifting my direction. :rolleyes:

I really do appreciate your kind words. :)

mandrin
 
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DP3 said:
Looks like he gets power from this, like you mentioned in earlier post. His chain looks to be snapped at top of backswing.
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DP3,

There are basically two ways to use a vertical motion of the body to assist in generating club head velocity -

-1- An energetic impulsive downward motion as the first motion at the transition.
-2- A very crisp upwards motion just prior to impact.

The first motion is getting close to swinging as a pure kinetic chain - early injection of substantial momentum/kinetic energy and subsequent coasting through impact.

The second motion is quite different in nature. Can be analyzed in two equivalent ways. Either as a shortening of the swing radius or as work being expended by centripetal force.

Tiger Woods attempted as a junior player to use both motions in downswing but give it up doing so. Very difficult to perform two opposing motions in such a short time span.

It is fun to experiment with these things with virtually all the weight on either lead or trail leg, eliminating lateral motion, and measuring the speed of the club head. :cool:
 
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Based on your reaction to what glcoach had to say, I'll second his notions. I feel you are most definitely an asset to the forum and enjoy your posts (when I can understand them). I guess I just want to say "keep it up"; you've got more on your side than you may think.

Also, I strongly encourage you to post more where you can explain your concepts in a more "child-like" manner. Your post in which you likened the snapping of the kinetic chain to playing a game of "crack the whip" (accompanied by a picture) was really nice to see.
 
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holeout said:
Based on your reaction to what glcoach had to say, I'll second his notions. I feel you are most definitely an asset to the forum and enjoy your posts (when I can understand them). I guess I just want to say "keep it up"; you've got more on your side than you may think.

Also, I strongly encourage you to post more where you can explain your concepts in a more "child-like" manner. Your post in which you likened the snapping of the kinetic chain to playing a game of "crack the whip" (accompanied by a picture) was really nice to see.
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holeout,

It is sometimes not all that easy. When you simplify a lot some immediately extend its application into various directions not really justified and when you don’t make it child-like and keep it strictly scientific than most loose interest. :)

A good example is an weight whirling around a center. Used by many discussing golf and yet it is far removed from a real golf swing. The essential element missing is the interaction of various masses, making it all together an different matter. :eek:
 
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mandrin said:
A good example is an weight whirling around a center. Used by many discussing golf and yet it is far removed from a real golf swing. The essential element missing is the interaction of various masses, making it all together an different matter.
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I think a bunch of examples trying to promote the true swing do not include the various masses. Most of the time, however, the point is driven home, even if it may not be scietifically correct.

speaking of the twirling weight around a center. I do like that analogy to a golf swing, especially when it is twirled around a finger. The finger is the body, and what keeps the weight twirling is the increased speed generated by the squat of the finger.
 
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I wonder about the differences in the "timing of the snap"........and other differences/variations in the snap region.....and how they affect the swing.

Brian has alluded to some of this and said "Doing (so-and-so) allows you to do totally different stuff."

Early/late snapping I presume can go with earlier/later releases..........but I would guess there has to be more to it.
 
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DP3

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mandrin said:
DP3,

There are basically two ways to use a vertical motion of the body to assist in generating club head velocity -

-1- An energetic impulsive downward motion as the first motion at the transition.
-2- A very crisp upwards motion just prior to impact.

The first motion is getting close to swinging as a pure kinetic chain - early injection of substantial momentum/kinetic energy and subsequent coasting through impact.

The second motion is quite different in nature. Can be analyzed in two equivalent ways. Either as a shortening of the swing radius or as work being expended by centripetal force.

Tiger Woods attempted as a junior player to use both motions in downswing but give it up doing so. Very difficult to perform two opposing motions in such a short time span.

It is fun to experiment with these things with virtually all the weight on either lead or trail leg, eliminating lateral motion, and measuring the speed of the club head. :cool:
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Now we are getting somewhere.
 
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birdie_man said:
I wonder about the differences in the "timing of the snap"........and other differences/variations in the snap region.....and how they affect the swing.

Brian has alluded to some of this and said "Doing (so-and-so) allows you to do totally different stuff."

Early/late snapping I presume can go with earlier/later releases..........but I would guess there has to be more to it.
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For some reason, I'm not sure why, I feel like the snap would actually happen earlier for a guy with near-maximum trigger delay. You'd have to give more time for the club to square up, I would think.

Could this be why certain people hit it farther with more of a sweep release than a snap release? Some snap the chain harder when it's later in the downswing?

Brian? Am I onto something or am I just blabbing away with no idea? :)
 
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Mandrin, are you still liking Tomasello's teachings? I just read a post where you had good luck with it. I was "throwing" it down one day at the range and hit the best 4 iron and GW of my life. Hit some other bad shots and just kinda gave up on it. Your thoughts? Any disadvantages to his "throw"? Also I've heard (maybe just a rumor) that you can develop a bad elbow swinging this way. True? Thanks
 
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