Fwd Press causing problems?
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Yes - it's a reference to The Golfing Machine book. It's was ment more for the others, like asking someone else to confirm it, than for you. If you don't have the book, don't waste time trying to figure it out now.
Is this doable? See what Burner said earlier.
http://homepage.mac.com/brianmanzella/.Public/bmanzellasept03.pdf
Vaako
EDIT: Needs to be add, since you are new - I'm a club hack, not a golf pro. Be critical and don't let some obscure references throw you of.
Burner
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Don't have a problem with 10-2-D but, there again, I don't use it.
In the past, however, I have unknowingly used 10-2-D and had problems with cupping the left wrist and cocking the right as a result - thought I was just strengthening the grip to get rid of a slice, ha, ha, ha. Too funny; just added to my, then, slicing problem.
Homer refers to 10-2-D being "very compatible with a cut shot" - too true. Improperly executed, with a little roll on take away for instance, it is a recipe for "fore right" and a visit to the adjacent fairway - see previous paragraph.
Homer also mentions the "paddle wheel" likeness of the right hand moving down plane and again cautions against any rolling until after impact.
bbftx
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Burner,
This is an interesting discussion, as I use a 10-2-D grip. Thanks for sharing your experiences. For me, the strong left hand position actually helps prevent any tendency to slice. But I am not a "roller."
Re: Kelley's comments on 10-2-D: I am under the impression that Kelley definition of "cut shot" is a shot that uses vertical hinging through impact and that he does not use the term to mean fade/slice. (As opposed to the more common usage among golfers where "cut" means a fade.)
With ultra strong left hands I allways think Zinger. And he was a semi-desent player.
Complication w/ 10-2-D is, IMHO, the whole no roll business - most of the swing advice flying around is not compatible w/ it. Like trying to do "toe-up" in back swing. I'm pretty agnostic about this issue - although I think Agent99 would be a much happier camper w/ weaker left hand grip and angled hinging.
Would someone like to comment on right forearm on frame 7 - I may be seeing things?
Vaako
Complication w/ 10-2-D is, IMHO, the whole no roll business - most of the swing advice flying around is not compatible w/ it. Like trying to do "toe-up" in back swing. I'm pretty agnostic about this issue - although I think Agent99 would be a much happier camper w/ weaker left hand grip and angled hinging.
Would someone like to comment on right forearm on frame 7 - I may be seeing things?
Vaako
Burner
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quote:Originally posted by Vaako
With ultra strong left hands I allways think Zinger. And he was a semi-desent player.
Complication w/ 10-2-D is, IMHO, the whole no roll business - most of the swing advice flying around is not compatible w/ it. Like trying to do "toe-up" in back swing. I'm pretty agnostic about this issue - although I think Agent99 would be a much happier camper w/ weaker left hand grip and angled hinging.
Would someone like to comment on right forearm on frame 7 - I may be seeing things?Vaako
Missed that! It looks like a "Punch Elbow" position and that could have a bearing on frame 10 and what previously caused me to comment about vertical hinging.
Could be that the shot is being punched and frame 10 is redolent of the abbreviated finish position you would expect.
Vaako - Don't think so. I take the club back inside, and as a result do cast it slightly at top, but on way down, I seem to get it back inside and usually hit a small draw. Very seldom to I cut or slice the ball, unless I just come out of the shot. I hesitate to post this set of pictures, because I have been working on eliminatiing some things that I see (They were taken at approx same time as sideview). But, they may help see what was going on as bad as it is!
Burner
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quote:Originally posted by Agent99
Vaako - Don't think so. I take the club back inside, and as a result do cast it slightly at top, but on way down, I seem to get it back inside and usually hit a small draw. Very seldom to I cut or slice the ball, unless I just come out of the shot. I hesitate to post this set of pictures, because I have been working on eliminatiing some things that I see (They were taken at approx same time as sideview). But, they may help see what was going on as bad as it is!
99,
Might prove beneficial for you to stop your backswing at frame 3, no real need to go back any further, as frames 4 and 5 only introduce problems for you that would not manifest themselves if you did.
For example, check out the position of your right elbow in each of those three frames and then look directly from 3 to 6 (skip 4 & 5) for an indication of the good stuff that would then happen.
Burner,
I see what you mean. Actually, I don't like "3" too much either - seems to have a wrist cup. BUT, I have been working on that. I bought a Swingglove and have worked on flattening the swing a bit - I now don't "feel" the Swingglove, so hopefully my wrist stays flatter at top of swing. I do use a much more restricted swing with short irons, but the pictures are with a 5-iron, which I suppose I think I needs a bigger swing!
Right now, I am hitting the ball well, but not scoring - Need to work on short game too to break 80 consistently!
Tom Bartlett
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If you kept the right foot down through impact it would look a lot like Craig Stadler's swing.
Tom,
David Feherty once wrote: "Craig Stadler's swing says, "This is me, and up yours if you don't like it.", so not sure how to take your comment
.I had a look at my videos, and it seems that in order to get the club through, my right knee kicks forward and lifts the right foot. I tried a few swings in my office and it feels as if I would have trouble getting through the ball if the foot stays down. Is this something I should try?
I found a short clip of Stadler - His foot comes up, but it's hard to discern just when. I can see the similarity in the swing though!
Tom Bartlett
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I luv Stadler's swing. Don't take it as a knock.
Is this (keeping right foot down until pivot pulls it up) something you should try? Yes.
Is this (keeping right foot down until pivot pulls it up) something you should try? Yes.
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