Geoff Ogilvy: Golf's best interview

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The question golf writers get asked most is, "Who's your favorite touring pro to interview?" I used to hem and haw, but lately I just say "Geoff Ogilvy." Only 29, the defending U.S. Open champion has become the game's best talker among top players, and one of its most important voices.

Ogilvy, runner-up to Henrik Stenson in last week's WGC-Accenture Match Play, is intelligent, articulate and personable. He's an intensely curious, fully engaged lover of the game with a gift for the aphoristic that is about four decades beyond his years. Like the great-playing talkers of the past -- Bobby Jones and Jack Nicklaus in particular -- he furthers the collective knowledge of the game.

Perceptive talkers are the lifeblood of sports journalism -- or any journalism.

The best sports book ever written, "The Sweet Science," was dedicated to three old boxing trainers, Whitey Bimstein, Freddie Brown and Charlie Goldman, whom author A.J. Liebling called "my explainers."

But the quality of golf explanations by the men who know the sport best has been in decline for a couple of decades. It started with the late 1980s heyday of Greg Norman and Nick Faldo, who both developed a deep antipathy for a press they considered unfairly judgmental and largely ill-informed. Nowadays, interviews increasingly are looked upon as an intrusion at best and a trapdoor at worst. Sports psychologists in particular regard them the way old Big Ten football coaches used to think of the forward pass: Three things can happen, and two of them are bad.

Tiger Woods knows as much about golf as anyone, but he is by temperament and position stingy with his knowledge. He is in a pitched battle against his life becoming a reality show, fearful that even carefully phrased comments will be turned against him, and trained from an early age to answer only specifically what is asked and no more. He still manages to give some interesting answers, but they are the exception. Lately, the once voluble Phil Mickelson has taken a similar approach, deciding the risk doesn't merit the reward.

It's a far cry from the days when Nicklaus ruled the game and made a point of being as accessible as Arnold Palmer, but with a more analytical sensibility. Dave Anderson, the Pultizer Prize-winning New York Times columnist, calls Nicklaus his all-time favorite interview subject.

Ogilvy's figuratively old head, perhaps made wiser by growing up next to Royal Melbourne, startled me the first time I asked him a question. "Golf was better before," he said in October 2005. "There was more art. It doesn't create a really rounded golfer." At a time when the shortcomings of the emerging twentysomethings were still well below the radar, Ogilvy captured the issue in three quick sentences.

"The complicated thing is making it simple, if that makes any sense," he said, offering as good a definition of a first-class mind as any. Indeed, in quotes over the last year including an upcoming interview with John Huggan in Golf Digest, Ogilvy produces one pearl after another.

Of Woods: "I mean, Tiger is the angriest player on tour. He's also the best at controlling it."

Of Sergio Garcia: "When he starts making putts again -- which he is going to do -- he's going to win 10 times in a year. He is the best ball-striker in the world, probably. … But he is so analytical about his putting and not about anything else. … He's like Seve, only in reverse."

On golf architecture: "I like there to be a relationship between the quality of your drive and ease of your second shot."

On the golf swing: "Instinctively, all you need to know is where your ball is and where you want it to end up. And to stay out of your own way until that happens."

Also: "The best player in the world at any one time never copies anyone else. But every generation of golfer copies the best golfer in the world at the time."

Besides evoking Arnold Haultain, author of the 1908 classic "The Mystery of Golf," Ogilvy also passes the ultimate test, of which Nicklaus was the standard. He is as accessible and generous in defeat as he is in victory, as he was after his disappointing 2-and-1 loss to Stenson in Tucson.

"Everyone has their struggles with golf swings, and mine is getting it stuck on the way down," he said, opening a subject that didn't exactly facilitate a quick exit from the media tent. "I feel like I play 95 percent of my rounds like that, right on the edge of being stuck. I played the U.S. Open feeling like I was stuck. It's really hard to explain."

Tournament golf, inside the ropes, always is. But thankfully it's a lot clearer when Ogilvy is the explainer.

Jaime Diaz is a senior writer for Golf World magazine
http://sports.espn.go.com/golf/columns/story?columnist=diaz_jaime&id=2783215
 
Nice post..
I Agree about Tiger though. Every time I have seen him interviewed lately it is as if he has a "set piece" series of stock answers, that he has rehearsed..
Bloody shame when the worlds best golfer has to resort to that...like swimming with Wellingtons on...
 

Jim Kobylinski

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His problem isn't getting stuck, it's getting the clubface too open and he hits it too right.

He has a very bent left wrist and a pretty open face and squares it REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY late in the downswing (Johnny miller even pointed it out in a slow-mo).

He has probably one of the simplest swings on tour and i think he'll be around for a while. Very humble.
 
His problem isn't getting stuck, it's getting the clubface too open and he hits it too right.

He has a very bent left wrist and a pretty open face and squares it REALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLY late in the downswing (Johnny miller even pointed it out in a slow-mo).

This is wrong. His problem is not that his clubface is open. He doesn't hit slices, he hit's blocks/pushes or he overhooks it when he misses. He hits draws with his driver. His path tends to get inside out because like he says he can get stuck. This happens as a result of his lateral move with the hips during the downswing, which also lets him hit the ball far.
 

Jim Kobylinski

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This is wrong. His problem is not that his clubface is open. He doesn't hit slices, he hit's blocks/pushes or he overhooks it when he misses. He hits draws with his driver. His path tends to get inside out because like he says he can get stuck. This happens as a result of his lateral move with the hips during the downswing, which also lets him hit the ball far.

Then i his big bent left wrist at the top with the toe pointing down, his preferance for hitting a fade, and the extreme lateness in squaring up the face is alllll wrong then. ;)

Actually he tends to play a fade with almost everything that barely rolls at all.

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oh and the blocks/pushes are cause of what? Where does the face have to be pointing for that to happen? ;)
 
I followed him around for several holes at the Nissan and almost every shot he hit was dead straight and very high. I didn't see a single fade. His miss (and he didn't miss many) was a high push (not a push cut).
 
Jim, yeah it's all wrong, a block/push is caused by an inside out path, not an open clubface. If he had an open clubface he would slice the ball, he never does that. Like Teris said, I've seen him live as well, he's not fading every ball like Bruce Lietzke. He basically hits it straight but hits more draws than fades especially with the driver. Also, a bent left wrist at the top is an attempt to correct a clubface that is too closed. He fights a hook way more than a slice and his problem is certainly not an open clubface. His problem is getting stuck from a lateral slide. A situation a lot of people seem not to understand around here.
 
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Jim, yeah it's all wrong, a block/push is caused by an inside out path, not an open clubface. If he had an open clubface he would slice the ball, he never does that. Like Teris said, I've seen him live as well, he's not fading every ball like Bruce Lietzke. He basically hits it straight but hits more draws than fades especially with the driver. Also, a bent left wrist at the top is an attempt to correct a clubface that is too closed. He fights a hook way more than a slice and his problem is certainly not an open clubface. His problem is getting stuck from a lateral slide. A situation a lot of people seem not to understand around here.
Strike up yet another person who does not know the correct ball flight laws-Brian you need to do a video and make it a sticky.
 
Surely a push/block is : inside-out swing path, with the clubface square to the path, BUT open to the intended target line...

Whether the ball hooks, fades or goes straight is always relative to the clubface angle-to-swing path, not the target line....
I think what Jim meant was clubface is open to the target line.....
 
Of course the clubface is open relative to the target line when hitting a push, but that is not the problem. The problem is that the path is inside out. If the path were straight the ball would go straight, an open clubface is not a problem.

Shortgamer, I shoot in the 60s on a semi regular basis, your comment is a joke.
 
Inconsistent.....

I'm not gonna debate what Geoff's problem is cause I don't know and haven't looked at his swing much....but....

Consider:

Ball STARTS where clubFACE is pointing to at Seperation.

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BTW what you shoot on a regular basis has no bearing on whether you know this stuff or not.....you know that.
 
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Brian Manzella

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A good interview....

Funny, when someone famous is honest in an interview, they are CELEBRATED.

When I do it, I am told to "play nice."
 
Of course the clubface is open relative to the target line when hitting a push, but that is not the problem. The problem is that the path is inside out. If the path were straight the ball would go straight, an open clubface is not a problem.

Shortgamer, I shoot in the 60s on a semi regular basis, your comment is a joke.

You could shoot in the 50's but it wouldn't matter because you still don't know what the ball flight laws are and BTW you must be much smarter than me cause I only broke par a few times last year but none of them where in the 60's.
 
Clubface alignment and path both have an influence. In putts (as Dave Pelz has documented) clubface is more important. Clubface rotation would also count in a full swing. Anyone have a study on this ? Seems like it would be easy to do with an "Iron Byron".
 

Brian Manzella

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For crying out loud....

If the ball is pushed to the right with no curve, the face and the path are both "pointing to the right" at separation.

If the face is OPEN—lets say 4 degrees—and the path is "SQUARE," the ball will start about 3 degrees to the right AND IT WILL CURVE ANOTHER 3 or so DEGREES to the right :rolleyes:
 
Yeah, when Ogilvy misses to the right, it's his path that caused it, the ball is not curving, it's starting right. Which means it's not a clubface problem, it's a path problem.

I think everyone who is a scratch golfer knows what a push is versus a slice.
 
Yeah, when Ogilvy misses to the right, it's his path that caused it, the ball is not curving, it's starting right. Which means it's not a clubface problem, it's a path problem.

I think everyone who is a scratch golfer knows what a push is versus a slice.

you've got it exactly backwards.....the face tells the ball where to start and it curves away from the path....(there's a little more to that last part, but that is the basic deal)

every scratch player and most club pros make the same mistake you do....that's why golf instruction - in general - sucks
 

Brian Manzella

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A little test....for our Mr Inconsistent

Play along if you wish folks...(of course this is approximate...)


OxxxxxxxxxxLxxxxxxxxxxTxxxxxxxxxxRxxxxxxxxxxW


OxxxxxxxxxxLxxxxxxxxxxTxxxxxxxxxxRxxxxxxxxxxW

The Golfer is standing at the RED T.

He wants the ball to start at the GREEN "L".

He wants the ball to fade to the GREEN "T".

His path needs to be at the GREEN_______.

His face needs to be at the GREEN_______.




 
Path at the green L or a little left of it, and the face at the green T. On Ogilvy's misses his path and clubface are both at the green R, his path is not at the T with a clubface at the R.
 
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