Getting bigger AND faster

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Curtis, it seems this is a story I've posted a dozen times now so here goes a dozen +1.

I'm 6'3, was 270lbs. I started working out the week after 4th of July. Since, I'm down to 247 while taking the last 3 weeks off. I was fat and I'm still a little on the big side but I've got a big frame and like you I worked out off and on for the last 10 years. Six years ago I finally stopped working out and just let myself go.

Since I got back into working out - I like think of it as more of healthy lifestyle instead of dieting and working out. Dieting consists of eating good food in moderate proportions. Working out consists of lifting weights 2-3 times a week. Very little treadmil/cardio work simply because I HATE IT. In this time I've lost a lot of fat, 4" from around my stomach, 1" from around my chest. My pecs are coming back as are my legs. Prior to letting myself go I was 6'3 240 at 12% bodyfat. I've still got away to go. I feel and look like I've slapped on atleast 5lb's of muscle. Some call this muscle memory but whatever you want to call it my strength has almost doubled in the last 3 months.

Here's my point... After 2 months and 20lb's of weight loss I lost my swing. Not that I had a swing before but what I had was gone. It was bad. I'm just getting back to my 15 handicap. One of my buddies (a golf instructor) told me that while getting bigger and loosing weight doesn't necessarily lead to a losing one's swing but it does occasionally happen. He said that everytime I work out I should swing a club in between sets. Swing it slow and fast but swing it. I've been doing that and I think it's helping.

One of the long drive guys at my range is VERY muscular. He's somewhere around 7% bodyfat and totally ripped. He had to change his workout to 2x's a week and supplement an hour of stretching and Yoga into his daily routine. If he has a competition he won't go to the gym 2 weeks prior to the event.

Okay enough rambling for now, if you're going to workout and slap on some mass you probably need to incorporate a lot of stretching into your routine. At the very least swing a club in between your reps. Pay attention to your swing as you go through your workout regimen and as you progress.

I think the big pec thing is a myth. No doubt it has some effect but if that were the case the LPGA tour would have a bunch of double digit handicappers.
 
I'd like to hear what Brian has to say about: whether weight lifting is bad for the swing and if not, is it worthwhile for improving one's golf game(as opposed to practicing the full swing or putting in that same time).
 
Hmm, how do I know how big they were? Every read any history about how Romans and Greeks would battle? Do some research and you will see pictures of some of the spartans/greeks. They were took at the age of 7 and were thrown in military training and hard labor called Agoge to make them strong. They used traditional methods of training such as I said before. And my strength coaches pounded this into heads, thats how I know from experirence as I said once again.

Do you know the advantages of slow and fast twitch muscle fibers? Probably not, but slow twitch muscles expand and contract for a long time but with little power, fast twitch muscles move quickly with lots of power but do fatigue early which I would think you would need in the golf swing. As far as africans as runners, true genetics have a few things to do with but mostly its called training, simple. I've seen lots of guys that are the same height, weight, and athletic ability keep up with africans as runners.

On the sledgehammer, this I will agree with you because if you do this type of exercise all the time, constantly, yeah it would wear on you but if you become stronger and more flexible which you need in the golf swing, should be good to go.

How do you know how huge they were? As long as they were stronger than the next guy, thats all that mattered. That doesn't mean anything compared to athletes today.


Does the golf swing even favor fast twitch muscle over slow? Either way, the ratio of fast to slow is pretty much set by what you are born with. Theres a reason why east Africans win marathons and west Africans win sprints.




I didn't say all those sledgehammer exercises would injure people, but some of them definitely will accelerate the aging of the rotator cuff(at best). Theres a physical therapist that posts here sometimes, see what he says.
 
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Theres a reason why east Africans win marathons and west Africans win sprints.

Yes,
East Africans develop better lungs as they generally live on a plateau at 5,000 feet....:D

And yes, you can develop fast twitch muscles (or make the best of the ones you have)...
 
Hmm, how do I know how big they were? Every read any history about how Romans and Greeks would battle? Do some research and you will see pictures of some of the spartans/greeks.
Are they photos? Illustrations can be biased. Ever wonder why illustrations of Jesus show his skin color to be the same as the people drawing him, rather than much darker?

Do you know the advantages of slow and fast twitch muscle fibers? Probably not, but slow twitch muscles expand and contract for a long time but with little power, fast twitch muscles move quickly with lots of power but do fatigue early which I would think you would need in the golf swing. As far as africans as runners, true genetics have a few things to do with but mostly its called training, simple. I've seen lots of guys that are the same height, weight, and athletic ability keep up with africans as runners.
Anybody has to do the training, but you can't reach an elite level without a good genetic background. The golf swing isn't like jumping or sprinting. I don't think it favors either type of twitch.

On the sledgehammer, this I will agree with you because if you do this type of exercise all the time, constantly, yeah it would wear on you but if you become stronger and more flexible which you need in the golf swing, should be good to go.
How many people stop doing an exercise after seeing noticeable gains? If it does work, people would do it until they stopped seeing gains. And then they would already have done considerable damage.
 
Someone mentioned that muscle doesn't have anything to do with speed. I disagree. Take a look at a world class sprinter and they are RIPPED. WR's in football, RB's, etc. They all have speed and muscle. It has to be the same in golf, I would sure think.
 
Ok, not going to waste my time any longer, I know my experiences and what I've been taught from UNIVERSITIES and the human body. I was merely making a suggestion when I made my point. Case closed because you see your side, which is fine.


Are they photos? Illustrations can be biased. Ever wonder why illustrations of Jesus show his skin color to be the same as the people drawing him, rather than much darker?


Anybody has to do the training, but you can't reach an elite level without a good genetic background. The golf swing isn't like jumping or sprinting. I don't think it favors either type of twitch.


How many people stop doing an exercise after seeing noticeable gains? If it does work, people would do it until they stopped seeing gains. And then they would already have done considerable damage.
 
Genetics is a big factor.
I saw Billy Wagner pitch in a game at age 19. 5"10 probably 160lbs throwing his fastball 97 mph on several scouts radar guns. I have coached 14 yr old kids who at 5"9" tall can dunk a basketball. It is a blessing from the good lord.
 
I let the reverse happen really.... At one point I was 195 pounds, and hitting the golfball quite well... Im what you would call "stacked" or "thick" I have a large frame for someone who is 5'9" here we are 5 months later... I have been engaged for 3 months, and I have started to let myself go... Im back up to 215 and my swing has taken a dive for the worse Im afraid.... Anyway, Im going back to runing and eating better, and Ill lose weight fast, Im young. I guess the biggest thing is it just feels like my gut is in the way... not that it is, look at Tim Herron, Daly, and Calc.
 

d0n

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I think "getting big" is a lot like playing "good golf." Some people are gifted and get big fast and some people are gifted and can play good golf quickly. For most that isn't the case. With a lot of proper practice and time you can get good at golf just as if you were to work out properly and put in the time you can get big. Good golf and getting big are relative states. Most people never get the proper training nor do they put in the time to achieve either state. Much like golf training, with poor or improper weight training it is unlikely most will ever achieve their true potential and most will simply give up after a while. Beating balls nightly on the range is about like crawling under the bench press every night. Sometimes it's better than nothing but in most cases it's probably counter productive...
 

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A lot of this depends on your particular body type you are born with:

mesomorph
endomorph
ectomorph

Figure out which group you are in and you'll know what you have to do to gain or lose weight. However i have known some people who have gained weight, mass, and strength and LOST swing speed due to less flexibility. Stay big but stay flexible, look at Jason Zuback, huge but very flexible
 
I let the reverse happen really.... At one point I was 195 pounds, and hitting the golfball quite well... Im what you would call "stacked" or "thick" I have a large frame for someone who is 5'9" here we are 5 months later... I have been engaged for 3 months, and I have started to let myself go... Im back up to 215 and my swing has taken a dive for the worse Im afraid.... Anyway, Im going back to runing and eating better, and Ill lose weight fast, Im young. I guess the biggest thing is it just feels like my gut is in the way... not that it is, look at Tim Herron, Daly, and Calc.


Dash, last time I checked it was the woman's job to let themselves go after they got engaged. What gives bro? JK
 
Haha.. Thanks for the congratulatories... When I first started dating her, I wasnt fat, but i wasnt the 235 that I had been in the past. I was like 195, and it actually helped my golf swing a lot, like I said, at that weight it litteraly felt at address that my gut was sticking in between my arms and it messes up my tempo, when I lost 40 pounds that feeling went away... now its starting to come back.

come on, you know when you guys landed the girl you all said, ok, screw it!!!
what gets me is shes 5'2" 110 pounds and thinks she needs to lose weight... so... shes not letting herself go...
 
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