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OLIVER1

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As a teaching professional always looking to improve, I've been a lurker (is that the correct nomenclature?) on this site for a while now. And as a golf pro who has become absolutely exhausted and fed up with the abject vapidity of some of the "hallowed concepts" that are constantly being espoused as the sine que nons of quality golf swings, Brian's ideas are like a breath of fresh air; thusly, I decided to hop on board.

I look forward a discourse or two with some of the members on this site...
Here's something that I'd like to get the ball rolling with:
Once the movement/shift to the left has occurred to initiate the downswing (filling the gap, perhaps?), if the weight goes deep into the left foot it seems like this precipitates a rather strong lockdown - for want of a better word - of the pelvic girdle, and makes it impossible to adequately rotate, increase the axis tilt and fling the arms by the body. Instead. one can almost feel a bounce-back onto the right side of the body, with the arms flailing around in a desperate, and usually futile, attempt to find the ball...Does this resonate with anybody?

Once again, Im looking forward to many hours of enjoyment on this forum

Thanks...
OLIVER
 
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alexandjacob

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welcome

Hi Oliver

as the person with the LEAST amount of knowledge of the golf swing on this site

let me be the FIRST to welcome you

its a great site.....

enjoy

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lookingtolearn

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Welcome to the forum.

If I understand you correctly, two possible causes for such a "lockdown" are moving the hips too far left and/or retaining too much hip turn into the early downswing.
 
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OLIVER1

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Thanks so much Alex&Jacob; Your self-analysis of having the LEAST amount of swing knowledge is clearly inversely proportional to your modesty.
"Don't sell yourself short, Judge!"
I'm looking forward to chatting with you...
 
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@Lookingtolearn Perhaps retaning too much hip turn, but more specifically, trying to release the girdle to the left as we breeze into impact when so much weight is pressing into the ground on the left foot seems very difficult...
And thanks for the welcome...Much appreciated.
 
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OLIVER1 said:
@Lookingtolearn Perhaps retaning too much hip turn, but more specifically, trying to release the girdle to the left as we breeze into impact when so much weight is pressing into the ground on the left foot seems very difficult...
And thanks for the welcome...Much appreciated.
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Why would there be so much weight on the left foot?
 
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OLIVER1

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No doubt to support the fall of the pivot to the left. My contention is that drift to the left should be accompanied by as little weight as possible being drilled into the ground via the left leg/foot, so you have the feeling of the pivot moving forward, but the weight not being established forward (If that makes any sense)
 
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OLIVER1 said:
No doubt to support the fall of the pivot to the left. My contention is that drift to the left should be accompanied by as little weight as possible being drilled into the ground via the left leg/foot, so you have the feeling of the pivot moving forward, but the weight not being established forward (If that makes any sense)
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Yeah, I think I get what your saying, and I'd agree. IMO if there is too much weight on the left foot, it makes it difficult to use the ground to finish the downswing.
 
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didn't read thread but do a search for "the pull back, the run up, and the jump"

Lots of good info on pivot stuff that i believe you are alluding too.

Also 2 things:

1) Yes lurker is the correct term :)
2) Welcome.
 
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Am I missing your point?

OLIVER1 said:
@Lookingtolearn Perhaps retaning too much hip turn, but more specifically, trying to release the girdle to the left as we breeze into impact when so much weight is pressing into the ground on the left foot seems very difficult...
And thanks for the welcome...Much appreciated.
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Hip (pelvic girdle) turn is facilitated via ball and socket joints at the head of the Femur.

You can stand on your left leg only and still have a full range of unimpeded hip turn.
 
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Ringer

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It is difficult to rotate the pelvis unless you have something to push one hip around an axis point. If the weight is too deeply set over the front foot, you would indeed have a hard time rotating it because your right leg would be fully extended by that point. The right leg is what drives the right hip around that axis point in the forward swing.

Stop Rory's swing at 9 seconds and you'll see a fully extended and straightened right leg that is pushing the right hip forward HARD generating a lot of torque on the hips.

[media]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2hQ5Fe8BuU[/media]


Welcome to the forum former lurker! We look forward to more chin-waging.
 
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OLIVER1

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Brian,
Thanks for the welcome.

I never thought that in all my years of golf I would ever run into a teacher who could truly revolutionize the way the swing is conceptualized - Really brilliant stuff, Brian. The depth and breadth of your knowledge is truly staggering; I would love to see you for a lesson one day.

Lastly Brian, I'm just a little confused about the idea that you can have too little weight on the left leg, pre-impact.

A problem I notice with a lot of my students and myself, is that the left leg acts as a "lock", in a good way inasmuch as it prevents the player from "jumping over their pivot" (if that makes any sense), but also in a deleterious fashion, by stopping the opening of the hips and body, and thus the axis tilt.

Once again, Brian, thanks for the welcome and keep up the great work.

OLIVER
 
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OLIVER1

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Kinetic chain? Absolutely. It's great stuff.
But snapping the kinetic chain down the forward swing, implies, or is predicated on a portion of the body reaching critical mass, shall we say, before transferring the energy through to the next area (And please feel free to dress me down if that is a poor overview)
But what if the rotation left and up is impeded, can't reach critical mass, and therefore can't allow the momentum to be transferred adequately to the arms?
BTW, I'm am 100% convinced that there are holes in my intellectual understanding of the kinetic chain, NOT the idea itself, because when I was playing at my peak that kinetic chain snap was something I would always feel, although not understand, of course (This was 20-something years ago!)
 
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Burner said:
You can stand on your left leg only and still have a full range of unimpeded hip turn.
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But, can you have your left hip way out ahead of your left foot and still rotate adequately? I'm imagining the upper leg being pinned in towards the pelvic girdle (probably not correct anatomical terms). It seems tough to turn on that hip socket when this is the case...
 
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mjstrong said:
But, can you have your left hip way out ahead of your left foot and still rotate adequately? I'm imagining the upper leg being pinned in towards the pelvic girdle (probably not correct anatomical terms). It seems tough to turn on that hip socket when this is the case...
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Subject only to balance issues, I don't see why not.

The left 'hip' is never going to get far ahead of the upper left leg. It would only appear to do so should your upper body remain tilted away to your right. However, your right heel will have risen and your right knee will be up by your left knee long before you fall over.
 
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OLIVER1

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Notwithstanding the position of the left hip viz a viz the left upper leg, it still seems awfully difficult to rotate up and to the left with the weight drilled into the ground on the left foot.
One can even try it...stand up and place more weight into your left foot then try and rotate to the cleared position that will, ostensibly, snap the chain and allow the arms to pass unhindered.
My hypothesis - and that's all it is right now,(until proven wrong, I suspect!) - is that there is some way of freeing that position by a subconcious movement elsewhere...
This really is a great place to be if you're interested in learning properly
 
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wulsy

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Hi Oliver

How are you going to rotate the pelvis correctly around the left hip if you don't have any weight on the left leg? I suppose the logical question would be "how much ground pressure/weight is ideal". Stack and tilters theoretically don't have a problem with a lot of weight/pressure in the left leg. Choppers who don't shift on the other hand have a big problem....
 
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