Shot Limit
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So who won?
Great sportsmanship here
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Lindsey Newman
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I am as shocked as anyone that the refs and coaches did not put a stop to it. I just think it "can" send a wrong message if young men aren't given the chance to handle situations like this. Either way you cut it, there is no place for that kind of foul in basketball.
gmbtempe
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The kids have been coached not to respond because the suspensions can be quite lengthy if some kind of brawl ensues. Like I said earlier at some point you have to protect yourself.
The refs really have a big spot in this, just as they did in the Xavier/Cinci fight.
gmbtempe
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I think everyone lost!
Sadly I have now seen more than one write up that actually blame the kids who were being fouled.
I agree with those who say that the refs are responsible. Most of the fouls were aggressive plays by someone who was a lot bigger and stronger than the other guy, making them look a lot worse than they actually were, including the play where the kid fell on his neck. A couple were just pure reckless hacking, and should have been called flagrant.
The refs set the tone for what's permissible by how they call the game, and these refs dropped the ball; they're fortunate no one got hurt, or that there wasn't a brawl in the gym. Savvy players will adjust to the way the game is called; less savvy players will foul out or be ejected. Either way, the players will do whatever the refs let them get away with. Show a little sense and tighten up the calls after two or three hard, bad-looking fouls, not six. Otherwise, you leave it open for people to take things into their own hands, and not necessarily on the court.
The refs set the tone for what's permissible by how they call the game, and these refs dropped the ball; they're fortunate no one got hurt, or that there wasn't a brawl in the gym. Savvy players will adjust to the way the game is called; less savvy players will foul out or be ejected. Either way, the players will do whatever the refs let them get away with. Show a little sense and tighten up the calls after two or three hard, bad-looking fouls, not six. Otherwise, you leave it open for people to take things into their own hands, and not necessarily on the court.
When you have so many facets of society - politics, banking, sport, entertainment, etc. - set up so that the "ends always justifies the means," can we really be surprised that the same sentiment is played out so egregiously on a kid's basketball court?
The meek shall inherit the Earth? No, the meek will inherit precisely fu*k all, and we'll all suffer for it in the long run.
The meek shall inherit the Earth? No, the meek will inherit precisely fu*k all, and we'll all suffer for it in the long run.
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BrendanC
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There should have been a brawl.
I think everyone in the gym was scared of the big fat guy - including the refs.
I think a parent and/or spectator is entitled to take action past a certain point.
Though anyone tempted to do so should watch this first: pro French rugby match, players dad runs on!
Watch Harinordoquy's dad defend his son - YouTube
I think everyone in the gym was scared of the big fat guy - including the refs.
I think a parent and/or spectator is entitled to take action past a certain point.
Though anyone tempted to do so should watch this first: pro French rugby match, players dad runs on!
Watch Harinordoquy's dad defend his son - YouTube
Jared Willerson
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I think the final score was 39-38....white team.
A sorry excuse for a basketball game. The red team should have had more backbone but the white team should be completely embarrassed by this.
A sorry excuse for a basketball game. The red team should have had more backbone but the white team should be completely embarrassed by this.
Lindsey Newman
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No no, you're missing my point. I am talking about everyone on that team not jumping to defend those being recklessly fouled. The players needed to take action to protect themselves and defend themselves. Obviously the refs were not going to. These were not grade schoolers and they should learn how to handle these situations because that's life. Mommy and daddy are not always going to be there.
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At least this coach takes his team off the pitch.
jimmyt
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I couldn't agree more Lindsey! I grew up in Chicago, and I played some hoops and I'm only 5'9" 200 lbs. My team mates and I would have handled this individual after the game if possible, if not you have to protect your team mates as well as your defend yourself. I was involved in a couple of games that if we were at an opposing school we would return to our locker room and we were ripped off. We had to be escorted to our bus. I have a son who is 21 years old and it seems that kids today look at size and respond instead of looking at the fight in the dog. I can honestly say that being a shorter individual my entire life I was aolways challenged and I can say that I never backed down from a fight period. These kids should be ashamed of themselves for not stepping up. Parents in my day were not required to defend and for the most part they never did. You handled it yourself.......end of story. Sorry if I sound like a thug, but that's how things are in real life........especially when you are in High School.
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jimmyt
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Exactly why, his team mates should have defended him. My opinion if the coach doesn't defend his players, then I'm sorry players needed to do something, regardless of suspensions. This school is now going to be perceived as weak and this school will be taken advantage of until they step up. If this team would have responded they would have a reputation that we will not be bullied.
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BrendanC
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Basketball was the real winner.
I was watching my son playing against a really dirty team one time (soccer), only 14 year olds admittedly. Nevertheless several guys on the pitch over 6 feet. Similar to this basketball match in many ways. After about 30mins I realised there would be a danger of a serious injury so, being the loud mouth hot head that I am I went across to the other side of the pitch anonymously and told the coach he should be ashamed of himself teaching kids to cheat and play dirty deliberately. Needless to say there ensued a heated exchanged where I feared an assault by the coaches and/or parents. But like Jimmy, I'm not one to back down and eventually the argument fizzled out into some kind of agreement from the coach that some of the tackles were out of order. Not that it helped matters much. But my son told me lately that this team had been wound up and the players had gone to other teams. Sometimes a word is better than a punch. But sometimes it can be the other way round.
jimmyt
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Shot Limit
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It happened repeatedly. Why? Because the other team allowed it to and in this era, it's probably not the kids fault. Both coaches should be ashamed of themselves really, to be fair.
The teams I've been on, some of the guys I've played with, really didn't matter how big the bully was. You could get away with that kinkda stuff once, MAYBE twice if your lucky. Sooner or later there was gonna be consequences and repercussions. Hell, coach would pull you on the side "you see that big SOB, give em a little nudge. Let em know we know what he's up to". Sometimes you just have to grow some balls and charge the mound.
But times have changed. We don't keep score and everybody gets a trophy. It's what happens when you raise a generation of pansies, not by choice of course. That's just how it is. I'm really surprised that all youth sports participants aren't forced to sport full-blown football equipment.
The teams I've been on, some of the guys I've played with, really didn't matter how big the bully was. You could get away with that kinkda stuff once, MAYBE twice if your lucky. Sooner or later there was gonna be consequences and repercussions. Hell, coach would pull you on the side "you see that big SOB, give em a little nudge. Let em know we know what he's up to". Sometimes you just have to grow some balls and charge the mound.
But times have changed. We don't keep score and everybody gets a trophy. It's what happens when you raise a generation of pansies, not by choice of course. That's just how it is. I'm really surprised that all youth sports participants aren't forced to sport full-blown football equipment.
jenhaoyen
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i thought about it. they probably are scared of expel from the school
jimmyt
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They would have never been expelled from school for this. Suspension maybe. Besides what's your point? Beside when kids are being picked or bullied do you really think kids stop and think if I retaliate I'm may be expelled nonsense. I'm afraid shot limit is right pansies are the end resultant path. I was shocked coaching little league, etc that trophy's were awarded for showing up. I'm in my early 50's and things have changed way too much for my liking. I believe we should attempt to talk or at least turn the other cheek once.....do it a second time we are going to do more than talk, especially at that age.
BertramSterling
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Brings this to mind:
The second is a year or so later, said afterwards that he went into the game with the intention of doing this..
Not sure about the morality of it, but I agree someone needs to take that fat kid down. He's obviously had a few more pancakes than the other players but if this was a game of football (soccer) in the UK, there'd be a queue to take him out. Anyone that has played in a 5-a-side league here will testify to that..
The second is a year or so later, said afterwards that he went into the game with the intention of doing this..
Not sure about the morality of it, but I agree someone needs to take that fat kid down. He's obviously had a few more pancakes than the other players but if this was a game of football (soccer) in the UK, there'd be a queue to take him out. Anyone that has played in a 5-a-side league here will testify to that..
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