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TGM says proper grip action is strong single action where both wrists are vertical. Further, it advocates a bent right wrist and a flat left wrist. However, if you bend a vertical right wrist, the vertical left wrist arches. (simple test- clap your hands together in front of you, then bend your right wrist) This would seem to still remain the case, but to a lesser degree, even if you worked your left thumb and pp#3 to the aft side of the shaft. I have been using weak double action grip the last couple of days-- one, because it feels better, but more importantly it seems to make sense to put the right wrist bend on line with the flat left wrist cock. Two questions: (1) Do any of you use or advocate a weak double action grip? and (2)how do the physics of strong single action remain consistent with achieving a bent right wrist and a flat left wrist? And one question for Brian: Are you going to make me stop doing this at our next lesson?
 
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If I bend back a flat, vertical right wrist, the left vertical bent wrist will flatten. I f I bend back the right wrist a lot, then the left wrist will arch. Maybe too much bend?
 
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DDL,

If both wrists are vertical how can you start with a 'left vertical bent wrist' without your right wrist being slightly arched?

Also, wouldn't lag pressure cause a bent right wrist to be fully bent?

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quote:Originally posted by Archie Swivel

TGM says proper grip action is strong single action where both wrists are vertical. Further, it advocates a bent right wrist and a flat left wrist. However, if you bend a vertical right wrist, the vertical left wrist arches. (simple test- clap your hands together in front of you, then bend your right wrist) This would seem to still remain the case, but to a lesser degree, even if you worked your left thumb and pp#3 to the aft side of the shaft. I have been using weak double action grip the last couple of days-- one, because it feels better, but more importantly it seems to make sense to put the right wrist bend on line with the flat left wrist cock. Two questions: (1) Do any of you use or advocate a weak double action grip? and (2)how do the physics of strong single action remain consistent with achieving a bent right wrist and a flat left wrist? And one question for Brian: Are you going to make me stop doing this at our next lesson?
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Arch,

The "clap" example you give would equate to a grip where the thumbs were straight down the top of the grip. However, the strong single action grip (10-2-B) has the left thumb more toward the aft part of the grip. The easiest way to get this is to go "Impact Fix" where your hands are in impact alignments -- left wrist flat and the right wrist bent. If you can "pose" that alignment at Fix, then you can get there in the backswing (I'm assuming you start the swing from "Classic" address). The idea is to never put any more or any less bend in the right wrist than you observe at Fix [generally, the amount of right wrist bend at impact increases as the clubs get longer].

I suspect a few things might be going on if you are having trouble keeping the left wrist flat. First, you may not fully appreciate that the left wrist only moves vertically -- it never moves horizontally; whereas, the right wrist only moves horizontally and never moves vertically. Second, you may not fully appreciate that it is the bending of the right elbow that cocks the left wrist. Third, you need to visualize and appreciate the "Flying Wedges" alignments. Fourth, you may be trying to put too much bend in the right wrist.
 
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I did recognize #1. You have enlightened me by #2. Brian should write an article on #3. As to #4, I have been employing maximum right wrist bend.

So thanks.

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Pretty cool drill RWH. Perhaps I'm taking 'vertical' too literally- seems there is a slight turn of the left hand-enough to get the thumb on the aft side (unless there is space b/w thumb and finger) and a slight roll of the right hand- enough to get pp#3 on the aft side. But TGM is a geometry book, so I thought precision was key. Would you put my analytical mind at ease and say that 'vertical' does not really mean absolutely vertical- when speaking of the hands,

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quote:Originally posted by Archie Swivel

Pretty cool drill RWH. Perhaps I'm taking 'vertical' too literally- seems there is a slight turn of the left hand-enough to get the thumb on the aft side (unless there is space b/w thumb and finger) and a slight roll of the right hand- enough to get pp#3 on the aft side. But TGM is a geometry book, so I thought precision was key. Would you put my analytical mind at ease and say that 'vertical' does not really mean absolutely vertical- when speaking of the hands,

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Arch,

I don't think the vertical wrist depends on where the thumb is; i.e., you could put the thumb aft, on top or even on the forward side of the grip and still maintain a vertical wrist. So, yes, for the left thumb to be aft, there could be a slight space between the thumb and palm. You can see a slight gap in photo 5-A-1, page 62 of TGM.
 
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