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quote:Originally posted by mb6606

Mandrin's quote:
"Concepts in science are not flexible"

That is the biggest fallacy of all time.

I agree. People with little or no scientific background are often the ones who say such things. And those scientists who believe this way are part of their very own dogmatic world where being "objective" is tossed out the window and replaced with the dogma of science. You can't be objective and adhere to a concept that science is the end all be all at the same time.
 
quote:Originally posted by MizunoJoe

mandrin, you remind me of "Iron" Mike Tyson - no matter that you've been knocked out 5 or 6 times in a row, you come back for more! I give you an A+ for perserverance, but your glass chin gets a D-.

Now when are you going to quit jabbing, and get around to unloading the biggie on us - The mathematical proof that shaft loading doesn't exist?
MizunoJoe, TGMers are both a sympathetic and a somewhat pathetic crowd. They don’t quite like the jabs but prefer seemingly getting the biggie unload on them. Seeing the fragility/absence of arguments and their utmost sensitivity I wonder if it would be a good idea to bring it on to them to quickly, it might just be fatal. ;)

However, since you insist and I am a kind soul I demand that you define exactly what you mean by shaft loading so that I know with exactitude where to aim so as to avoid getting any lame excuses when you are down on the canvas hearing me joyously and slowly count to ten. [B)]

I give you A+ for entertainment but don’t know quite what to give you for substance of arguments, since there is not any. Oh well, I will be very generous, let’s make it a D-. [:p]
 
quote:Mandrin,
I'm going to find out who you are, hunt you down, then beat your ass.

Digger


ALL HAIL DIGGER!

Mandrin's ramblings do nothing for my golf game. He may be technically correct on occasion, but how does that help my swing?

I have to read enough research in my profession to know that you have to wade through the BS. That is what I like about Brian. No BS, just practical application to help me play better.

Mandrin's posts are a waste of my time.
 
It's all in fun - just remember though, no matter how badly mandrin gets roughed up here, like Arnold and Dick Nixon, he'll be back.
 
quote:Originally posted by brianman

Mandrin, even you have to admit, Digger's post was FUNNY!
Brian, since you produce a lot of interesting video material I thought you would appreciate a short video clip on gyroscopes.

Watch the flywheel so happily and so eagerly turning around (precessing) when subjected to even a tiny effort (gravity torque) to change its orientation in space

It nicely shows precession and clearly negates HK’s opinion that “spinning flywheels resist any effort to change its plane of rotation”.

BTW. - with such a nickname he is presumably indicating that ALL he can do is doggedly digging like a digging doggy. Should perhaps try a Pavlov type approach. [:p]

Brian, would you kindly consider increasing my fee, traffic getting bigger, all the doggies are showing up, barking and teeth showing. Lot’s of fun. :D
 

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If Mandrin changed his tone a bit, and realized that what Homer set out to do, he did, we could learn from each other a lot better.

But Mandrin STILL needs to see me for lessons.
 
Mandrin is posting this on the wrong board. I don't think most of us come here to talk about gyros, certain forces, victor vectors and such. We want layman's terms and how to accomplish the 3 imperatives without having to get scientific. Otherwise I would just consult the book.

I could care less if your gyro is bigger or better than Homer's. I know Brian knows what he is talking about and how he conveys it and that is why I come to this board.
 
Ya....that's prolly true....

....whether he's right or wrong I think it's a smallish detail....and (IF mandrin's right) I have a hunch it really would de-validate little in the book- mostly that original definition itself.

BUT....science is science.....might as well have it right than wrong....might not mean much for your game....but w/e......if (IF) he has a point he has a point.
 
quote:Originally posted by MizunoJoe

quote:Originally posted by mandrin

I demand that you define exactly what you mean by shaft loading
Kinda like a mouse demanding that a cat turn it loose. [:eek:)]
Please, define exactly what you think constitutes ‘loading’ in a golf swing.

I am only going to act on a precise definition when going for a KO. :D :D :D
 
quote:Originally posted by birdie_man

Ya....that's prolly true....

....whether he's right or wrong I think it's a smallish detail....and (IF mandrin's right) I have a hunch it really would de-validate little in the book- mostly that original definition itself.

BUT....science is science.....might as well have it right than wrong....might not mean much for your game....but w/e......if (IF) he has a point he has a point.
birdie_man,

Ask Yoda if Homer’s scientific ideas pertaining to golf are just smallish details. :D

If you do, please report back with the answer, some here might be surprised. :)
 
quote:Originally posted by brianman

If Mandrin changed his tone a bit, and realized that what Homer set out to do, he did, we could learn from each other a lot better.
Brian, I get that funny impression that strangely enough I am the only one showing serious interest in Homer's scientific ideas.

A frequent post here is like - ‘I could not care less about Homer’s scientific ideas, all I want is (free [:p]) golf advice from Brian’.

Homer would probably turn around in his grave hearing all that diminishing talk about a life time of strenuous efforts.
 
Mandrin,
Just found out who you are. Now on to finding where you live. If the phone don't ring, it's me. See ya soon and I won't be bringing no gyroscope.

Diggerdog

P.S. I thank my friends over at Single Axis for your bio info. They apparantly want you "graphed" as well.
 
mandrin:

Please continue to point out what you believe are errors in Homer's work. I think the concepts in TGM are brilliant, but my vision is not so clouded that I believe it is perfect. Identifying and correcting the mistakes can only make it better.

I don't know why the hard core aficionados cling to the belief that what is written is unalterable gospel There are 6 editions after all, plus another on the way so obviously Homer's views evolved over the years. The "Homer wrote it so it must be true" attitude probably contributes to the difficulty in mainstreaming TGM, which is a shame since I think it's the best "system" out there.
 
A forum is a reflection of society.

Some things just escape reason.


hiroshiro,

I do appreciate your comments.
 
You're getting pretty serious digger. I think if Mandrin was that disruptful Brian would just out him. Some people here are actually intrigued by his posts. Nothing personal, i love reading your work digger, i think it is you who gives the great posts on single axis about Schaeffer, Skelley etc? If it is you i loved em and they convinced me to get some Schaeffer tapes.
 
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