Hand controlled pivot vs pivot controlled hands

[Swingdoc80]

Evening all. My first post on here.

quick question = My coach (TGM AI) has me concentrating heavily on controlling hands through impact and heavily restricting my body turn. I have always been very square hipped at impact but seem to turn heavily just post impact. The method seems to be square at impact and using the roll to control clubface rather than rotation which i had always been taught before.

Would this be considered a hands controlled pivot. ? and if so is it a valid approach?.

dtl = SwingAcademy.com

fo = SwingAcademy.com

Thanks to all

 

[Dariusz J.]

Evening all. My first post on here.

quick question = My coach (TGM AI) has me concentrating heavily on controlling hands through impact and heavily restricting my body turn. I have always been very square hipped at impact but seem to turn heavily just post impact. The method seems to be square at impact and using the roll to control clubface rather than rotation which i had always been taught before.

Would this be considered a hands controlled pivot. ? and if so is it a valid approach?.

dtl = SwingAcademy.com

fo = SwingAcademy.com

Thanks to all

However harsh it may sound - change the instructor. This is only my personal opinion, so all is clear. What an ordinary golfer wants is to diminish the impact of timing issues, and not to enlarge it.

Cheers

 

[Richie3Jack]

However harsh it may sound - change the instructor. This is only my personal opinion, so all is clear. What an ordinary golfer wants is to diminish the impact of timing issues, and not to enlarge it.

Cheers

I don't think hands controlled pivot enlarges timing issues in any way, shape or form.

I think where you might be misunderstanding the hands controlled pivot is in the name. Basically it's saying, at least the way I've understood it, is that the hands move first and put the pivot alignments in place. You still have to pivot and have a good pivot to hit the ball consistently well. The hands controlled pivot action allows the golfer to get a good pivot.

For instance, I use the hands controlled pivot on the takeaway because it gets my pivot (and clubhead) in good alignments early on in the swing. And recently I worked on a hands controlled pivot on the downswing in order to get the right shoulder on plane and hopefully later down the road to maximize trigger delay. Still a pivot there, just helps get the pivot in a goo place.




3JACK

 

[westy]

The face should arrive square at low point, (all other things being equal) provided you dont mess with it.
Using your body or your hands to disrupt this fundamental alignment is old school.
New school is to get the d plane in your coconut and fool with your impact alignments until the white thing does what you want, with out disrupting your total motion.
The mind what runs the machine.
Not your hands or your pivot.
Let them do their jobs.
Trust your own kinematic feeeeeel.
This might be wrong.
It may not help either.
but the ball wont lie.
the less disruption to your natural swing the better.

 

[birdie_man]

I can hit it fine with the intention to use my hands/arms to move the club.

(my other way is putting my attention into my left shoulder...vs. attention into the hands/arms)

Hit the furthest drive of my life like that.

Learning to use your pivot well probably will require more conscious use of the pivot as Brian often says.

 

[Matt Bryda]

Is that a tee in your mouth in the FO view?

As to your question at the end of your post, Is it valid? Only if you can do it and you think you hit it better.

IMO..You may try more of an aggressive move (step on your right foot to initiate the backswing and then step on your left foot to initiate the downswing) to make your pivot more dynamic. You may need to be an inch or so farther from the ball at address because you look a little bunched up at impact. There is some great stuff that could help your pivot in Brian's COFF video.

Matt

 

[Brian Manzella]

WORDS are IMPORTANT!!! Please follow my advice on this one

Instead of using STUPID TERMS, just SAY WHAT YOU MEAN.

Do NOT USE the terms "HCP" of "PCH"....


Just say what you mean....

Otherwise, I will come back and edit this whole thread...

 

[ej20]

Evening all. My first post on here.

quick question = My coach (TGM AI) has me concentrating heavily on controlling hands through impact and heavily restricting my body turn. I have always been very square hipped at impact but seem to turn heavily just post impact. The method seems to be square at impact and using the roll to control clubface rather than rotation which i had always been taught before.

Would this be considered a hands controlled pivot. ? and if so is it a valid approach?.

dtl = SwingAcademy.com

fo = SwingAcademy.com

Thanks to all

Does the dog wag the tail or does the tail wag the dog?Can Mandrin provide some nice mathematical equations on this please?

Just joking here fellas..........

 

[jawallace]

when you know where your hands should be throughout your swing, your pivot (shoulders, hips, legs and feet) will more often than not respond.

Looking at your swing, I see that you have plenty of pivot. When you instructor says to restrict your pivot, I think he's saying, "it's moving good enough, now get precise about hand location and impact."

 

[Swingdoc80]

Is that a tee in your mouth in the FO view?

As to your question at the end of your post, Is it valid? Only if you can do it and you think you hit it better.

IMO..You may try more of an aggressive move (step on your right foot to initiate the backswing and then step on your left foot to initiate the downswing) to make your pivot more dynamic. You may need to be an inch or so farther from the ball at address because you look a little bunched up at impact. There is some great stuff that could help your pivot in Brian's COFF video.

Matt

Thanks to all for the replies. unfortunately not a tee but a ciggy.

I guess what i am getting at is that coaches for years have been tying to get me more open at impact but due to poor flexibility i am unable to make upper and lower half work independently and come over the top. I am just looking for viewpoints on this. thanks to all

" i see Brian was here as well. Not sure who he was getting at with the abreviations but his view on this would be interesting as well"

 

[teacherfitter]

Thanks to all for the replies. unfortunately not a tee but a ciggy.

I guess what i am getting at is that coaches for years have been tying to get me more open at impact but due to poor flexibility i am unable to make upper and lower half work independently and come over the top. I am just looking for viewpoints on this. thanks to all

" i see Brian was here as well. Not sure who he was getting at with the abreviations but his view on this would be interesting as well"

Not sure either; the only abbreviations I saw were TGM, AI, dtl, fo, COFF, etc.

 

[teacherfitter]

Thanks to all for the replies. unfortunately not a tee but a ciggy.

I guess what i am getting at is that coaches for years have been tying to get me more open at impact but due to poor flexibility i am unable to make upper and lower half work independently and come over the top. I am just looking for viewpoints on this. thanks to all

" i see Brian was here as well. Not sure who he was getting at with the abreviations but his view on this would be interesting as well"

And IMO.

 

[Richie3Jack]

Brian is not talking about abbreviations, he's talking about the terminology of 'hands controlled pivot' and 'pivot controlled hands.'

Uh, say what I mean.....my hands move first and that gets my pivot and body in the proper positions. That's what I mean.





3JACK

 

[Swingdoc80]

Wow that TGM AI combined with my DTL and FO view IMPO regarding PCH & HCP is. as long as no one mentions MORAD or SNT its cool, LOL, ROFL

 

[Dariusz J.]

I don't think hands controlled pivot enlarges timing issues in any way, shape or form.

I think where you might be misunderstanding the hands controlled pivot is in the name. Basically it's saying, at least the way I've understood it, is that the hands move first and put the pivot alignments in place. You still have to pivot and have a good pivot to hit the ball consistently well. The hands controlled pivot action allows the golfer to get a good pivot.

For instance, I use the hands controlled pivot on the takeaway because it gets my pivot (and clubhead) in good alignments early on in the swing. And recently I worked on a hands controlled pivot on the downswing in order to get the right shoulder on plane and hopefully later down the road to maximize trigger delay. Still a pivot there, just helps get the pivot in a goo place.




3JACK

I would claim that every decent pivot-guided swing motion must be accompanied with awareness of hands; subconscious mind takes care of it since the primary goal is to hit the ball (and not miss it) anyhow and hands are the only one link between the body and the club. OTOH, not every decent armsy swing is accompanied by a decent pivot IMO.

Cheers