Has chipping changed?

[Robbierob99]

Thanks for posting the videos. I would suggest that Stricker is actually using a classic pitching motion.

Maybe it is a "classic pitching motion" I don't know, but whatever it is I think I can see the clubhead passing up or starting to pass up the hands through the impact zone (i.e. the club being released) and looking at the complete lack of a divot I'd say he did a pretty decent job of not letting the leading edge "dominate." Very little to no lower body movement & the right wrist straightening, I'd say that's a nice toss leading to some rotation around the coupling point.

But it is just video and the eyes can surely deceive... Maybe I'm just seeing what I want to see.

 

[curtisj76]

Yeah I'd say that Stricker shows Manzella's "tour pitch" perfectly doesn't he?

 

[Robbierob99]

Geez.....

The second video IS NOT A CHIP SHOT!!!!

I agree...

There isn't much "standard" anything with the Pernice Jr. "shot." I just tried to pick 2 extremes (a lengthy pitch off a perfect fairway to a short "trick shot" out of a funky lie) where in both cases there was no "up the left arm" whatsoever and in both cases the club was released with right wrist straightening and in both cases the bounce of the club was seemingly used effectively... Was just defending my claim that I could not find a scenario where not using the new release info was a good idea.

 

[Kevin Lutes]

Chip, pitch, whatever. I just tried the bounce thing in my backyard and I'm very intrigued. Call it a pitch, that's fine. I'll choose a Texas wedge over a chip any day. I'll putt out of a green side bunker if conditions are even somewhat favorable.

 

[curtisj76]

I also went back to the backyard and really tried to use the bounce. Needless to say the shaft leaning forward "no bounce" shot is being put away. Just like Crane I purposely hit some fat and they still were decent shots.

 

[curtisj76]

I loved the Stricker video posted earlier. Found this little gem that talks about his pitching action:

TPItv - Up & Down, Stricker - MyTPI.COM |TITLEIST.COM | VOKEY.COM - YouTube

 

[mjstrong]

Considering the "new release" has made all of the short game shots a lot simpler for me. I don't intentionally use a much different release for a leading edge chip shot vs. a bounce pitch though - just a different impact position.

 

[Festus]

How did I miss this? I visit this site everyday and can't recall reading about new chipping method. Obviously a "my bad" moment. Could someone please provide some details or refer me to an original post about it? I searched on "Chipping" but didn't find a specific post.

I always use the leading edge method and have spend A LOT of practice time coming up with a fat-proof method. It's basically a stiff wrist, shoulder rocking motion with a shortish fixed takeaway distance. Distance control is done by the degree of acceleration. It's serves me well but it's pretty robotic in that I lack that last little bit of touch that only the hands can provide. From the sounds of it, this method uses a small degree of wrist break and - dare I say it - a mini flip? Can that be right?

 

[Keefer]

By far the easiest way I've found to do a greenside chip is use a putting motion, standing the club very upright with the heel slightly off the ground. Almost as fool-proof a way to chip there can be. Very difficult to duff or skull it. Comes out low to the ground and rolls just like a putt. Much more easier to control distance. Chip like a putt, as simple as that IMO.

 

[johnnymarlboro]

By far the easiest way I've found to do a greenside chip is use a putting motion, standing the club very upright with the heel slightly off the ground. Almost as fool-proof a way to chip there can be. Very difficult to duff or skull it. Comes out low to the ground and rolls just like a putt. Much more easier to control distance. Chip like a putt, as simple as that IMO.

That's pretty much what Raymond Floyd recommends. He calls it "putting with loft". He even says to use your putting grip. I think he talked about it on the golf channel, and in his book which I thought was a good read, "The Elements of Scoring: A Master's Guide to the Art of Scoring Your Best When You're Not Playing Your Best".

 

[drewyallop]

Not mentioned yet, but think spin. I find putting that bounce down behind the ball fairly aggressively with the right hand produces a lot of juice. So instead of babying it on the short/downhill chips (and all the bad stuff that happens when you do) you can start the ball with a lot more speed knowing that it is going to check up. Plus looks pro and not much else in my game does.


BTW, intuitively you would think that chopping down with the leading edge should produce more spin. It does not. Why? And why does the bounce technique produce more spin. Anyone?

 

[Richwort]

I think the Ben Crane thing could be easily misunderstood by amateurs and become a flip. . . Most guys I teach who are poor chippers are trying to lift the ball off the ground and despite what Ben Crane says his hands (unless he is playing a flop) are gonna pass the ball before the clubhead.

 

[mgranato]

BTW, intuitively you would think that chopping down with the leading edge should produce more spin. It does not. Why? And why does the bounce technique produce more spin. Anyone?

I'm guessing the process of getting the leading edge into the act requires more forward lean which removes loft from the equation. The opposite being true for exposing more of the bounce. Maybe?

 

[drewyallop]

I'm guessing the process of getting the leading edge into the act requires more forward lean which removes loft from the equation. The opposite being true for exposing more of the bounce. Maybe?

Interesting Mike. So loft is is increased and the ball flight is higher. Maybe more loft also means that the ball stays on the face longer thus more spin. A leading edge hit may cause the ball to ride up the face and friction is reduced.

And maybe because you are getting more spin with the bounce technique you can hit it harder, therefore even more spin. Virtuous circle.

I wonder if Dr. Woods at Ping has any high speed video of chips.

 

[DCgolf]

A chip or pitch played with the leading edge vs one played with the trailing edge cannot be played with the same AA IMO. Trailing edge steeper, leading edge shallower is the only way to avoid skull or fat.

 

[Wgolf131]

I've actually had better success doing the opposite with the mid sole trailing edge pitch/chip short game shot ... I have had to get a wider arc with the mid sole pitch on the down swing …I’ve had to feel the arc widen it has produced really really good shots around the greens. It’s my basic around the green shot with a 54 degree wedge unless I need a specialty shot.... When I was doing the leading edge FATS chip/ pitch I had to feel the AOA as a steeper swing.
I’ve gotten pretty good around the green with this shot. Where I was struggling was the bunkers I had gotten to shallow where I needed a steeper AOA swing and a downward strike on/into the sand a couple inches behind the ball.

 

[300Drive]

It does need to be perfect with the old way.

New way you can hit INCHES behind the ball and the bounce keeps the clubs leading edge from digging in.
The club continues gliding along above ground and fat misses will still get airborne and the distance lost will be far less severe than with the old way. For me, through impact, the left hand is hitting the brakes while the right hand pushes on the gas. When you use the bounce properly, it will feel really easy to execute.

......potential sculler...

 

[300Drive]

By far the easiest way I've found to do a greenside chip is use a putting motion, standing the club very upright with the heel slightly off the ground. Almost as fool-proof a way to chip there can be. Very difficult to duff or skull it. Comes out low to the ground and rolls just like a putt. Much more easier to control distance. Chip like a putt, as simple as that IMO.

Are you making a level backswing, or is there an "up" in your BS. If there is an "up".....how are you getting it there (i.e., wrist hinge, shoulder rock, right forearm fold, )???

 

[magicmarker]

Potential sculler???

It's golf. Do we really need a disclaimer that bad shots may happen?

All we can do is maximize the margin for error, we'll never remove it completely.

 

[Jim Kobylinski]

......potential sculler...

You'd have to be sooooooooooooooo flippy to hit a sculler trying to use the bounce that no matter your technique you probably suck as a chipper.