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birdie_man

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I just thought of something....

You know how a lot of great players Bob in the downswing slightly....

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Is that maybe because the ball is back of Low Point and they don't want to unBend the right wrist at all to hit down on it?

Anything to that or no?
 
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strav

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Just a thought Birdie_man but if a player is chasing a straight line delivery path then, from the top, wouldn't he have to increase his axis tilt on the downswing and if he did this wouldn't his head lower?
 
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quote:Originally posted by strav

Just a thought Birdie_man but if a player is chasing a straight line delivery path then, from the top, wouldn't he have to increase his axis tilt on the downswing and if he did this wouldn't his head lower?
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No, by the hips MOVING FOWARD while the head STAYS STILL is what allows you to tilt your axis for the downswing.
 
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quote:Originally posted by jim_0068

quote:Originally posted by strav

Just a thought Birdie_man but if a player is chasing a straight line delivery path then, from the top, wouldn't he have to increase his axis tilt on the downswing and if he did this wouldn't his head lower?
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No, by the hips MOVING FOWARD while the head STAYS STILL is what allows you to tilt your axis for the downswing.
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That's fine Jim but as Birdie man asks,what is causing the bobbing among a lot of great players?
 
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If the head stays still and the hips move left in the downstroke the axis tilt increases and the vertical distance between the hips and the head decreases. Other than compensating by straightening the legs the appropriate amount there has to be a slight dip in head height.
 
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Are they really bobbing, or simply returning their head to impact fix position? The height of my head at impact fix and address aren't the same.
 
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strav

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quote:Originally posted by hue

If the head stays still and the hips move left in the downstroke the axis tilt increases and the vertical distance between the hips and the head decreases. Other than compensating by straightening the legs the appropriate amount there has to be a slight dip in head height.
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Is this as it should be or are these players violating the first essential of TGM (A stationary Head) by bobbing?
 
tongzilla

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quote:Originally posted by hue

Other than compensating by straightening the legs the appropriate amount there has to be a slight dip in head height.
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Is it the legs straightening that's the compensation or the head bobbing?

Per 7-16, "Actually, the primary function of Knee Action -- as with Waist Bend -- is to maintain a motionless Head during the Stroke."
 
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strav

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quote:Originally posted by tongzilla

quote:Originally posted by hue

Other than compensating by straightening the legs the appropriate amount there has to be a slight dip in head height.
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Is it the legs straightening that's the compensation or the head bobbing?

Per 7-16, "Actually, the primary function of Knee Action -- as with Waist Bend -- is to maintain a motionless Head during the Stroke."
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Let me put it another way. How essential is the "First Essential" if "a lot of great players Bob in the downswing"?
 
Erik_K

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quote:Originally posted by strav

quote:Originally posted by tongzilla

quote:Originally posted by hue

Other than compensating by straightening the legs the appropriate amount there has to be a slight dip in head height.
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Is it the legs straightening that's the compensation or the head bobbing?

Per 7-16, "Actually, the primary function of Knee Action -- as with Waist Bend -- is to maintain a motionless Head during the Stroke."
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Let me put it another way. How essential is the "First Essential" if "a lot of great players Bob in the downswing"?
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IMO, telling someone to keep any part of their body perfectly still is signing their death warrant even before take the club back.

If someone has some excessive lateral or vertical movement with their head, as an example, I'd rather tell him/her to perhaps quiet that motion some-but never to remain in a dead, locked, fixed, set position.
 
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IMO, telling someone to keep any part of their body perfectly still is signing their death warrant even before take the club back.

If someone has some excessive lateral or vertical movement with their head, as an example, I'd rather tell him/her to perhaps quiet that motion some-but never to remain in a dead, locked, fixed, set position.

quote:Originally posted by brianman

Couldn't have said it better myself, Erik.
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Therefore, can we conclude that the myth of the First Essential is busted?
 
Erik_K

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quote:Originally posted by strav


IMO, telling someone to keep any part of their body perfectly still is signing their death warrant even before take the club back.

If someone has some excessive lateral or vertical movement with their head, as an example, I'd rather tell him/her to perhaps quiet that motion some-but never to remain in a dead, locked, fixed, set position.

quote:Originally posted by brianman

Couldn't have said it better myself, Erik.
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Therefore, can we conclude that the myth of the First Essential is busted?
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Well......

Did Homer write this First Essential?

If so, his message might is good. I mean in practice, many of the straightest hitters have s fairly STEADY head movement. A long driver, might have more back and forth motion but they don't care because they are hitting into some ultra-wide grid.

I am not trying to dispell anyting HK wrote down. I just don't like locking down any part of the body just because it's written someplace.
 
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strav

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Did Homer write this First Essential?

If so, his message might is good. I mean in practice, many of the straightest hitters have s fairly STEADY head movement. A long driver, might have more back and forth motion but they don't care because they are hitting into some ultra-wide grid.

I am not trying to dispell anyting HK wrote down. I just don't like locking down any part of the body just because it's written someplace.
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Yes Homer did write this First Essential.
In 2-0-A he says "The Three Basic Essentials are:
-1 A stationary Head.
-2 Balance
-3 Rhythm"

In his glossary he gives an example of a Stationary Head - A spinning skater. Mechanically he says it is the same as a pivot center.
Neither of these examples would allow for any lateral or vertical movement of the head center - or would they?
 
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