Head bobbing

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We can use this line of argument for a few other things too.
For example, The Third Imperative: Tracing a Straight Plane Line.
There isn't one player in the world who is perfectly On Plane from Address to just before the Finish.
But all great players are On Plane from Release to Follow Through.
 

DDL

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I think of it as independent of path. Get to the head impact fix position. If the head is above or below impact fix, you are bobbing.
 

bts

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quote:Originally posted by birdie_man

I just thought of something....

You know how a lot of great players Bob in the downswing slightly....

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Is that maybe because the ball is back of Low Point and they don't want to unBend the right wrist at all to hit down on it?

Anything to that or no?
Sounds to me like a result of "sustaining" a HUGE amount of "lag" starting down.
 

DDL

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This has been a great topic. Finally sunk in(after oh... 3 years) that the height of my pivot center or head must be the same at impact fix and address. I never did that because at address, if I maintained the impact fix head level, my arms and hands felt cramped because the butthead of my club was too close to my body. Consequently, my head at address was higher than impact fix level, and I assumed I could return it to impact fix level. Rarely did I.

During the middle of today's session of habitual mi****s and shanks, I finally changed my address position. To avoid that cramped, crowded feeling, I placed the ball further away. LOL...never ocurred to me to do that. Well I started striking the sweetspot. Been ages. To maintain the head level, I severely abbreviated my backswing. Doesn't feel like I am turning much, if at all.

At address, the clubshaft is flatter, and I don;t have a right forearm flying wedge because my arms are hanging straight down.If I were to have a right forearm flying wedge, my left arm would have to be bent. Everything else works much better if you have the proper swing radius. Only took me 3 years to figure this out. Sheesh. See if I can maintain this.
 

hue

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DDL , Very interesting. I think you can only go so far by reading the book watching TGM DVDs and learning from the various TGM forums. Some of our ideas may be spot on and in others we may have misconceptions. IMO we run a perilous route left to our own devices without direct one on one help from an AI. I found this out when I visited the Canton golf school. Some of my ideas were right others almost right and some completely wrong. Without direct help from the instructors I would still be in a TGM fool's paradise. I thought I understood plane and I did on a conceptual level but as far as my swing was concerned it did not look that way. When Brian showed me what i should be doing Iwas totally shocked how far away I was. Without Brian's intervention there is no way I would have made some of the changes I have made. Had you had a lesson with Brian I am sure he would have got to grips with your head issues and saved you 3 years of grief. There is a lesson here for you and all those on this forum

YOU CAN ONLY GO SO FAR LEFT TO YOUR OWN DEVICES WITHOUT THE HELP OF AN AI

Trying to do it by yourself without qualified help is pure folly IMHO.
 

Garth

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quote:Originally posted by hue

DDL , Very interesting. I think you can only go so far by reading the book watching TGM DVDs and learning from the various TGM forums. Some of our ideas may be spot on and in others we may have misconceptions. IMO we run a perilous route left to our own devices without direct one on one help from an AI. I found this out when I visited the Canton golf school. Some of my ideas were right others almost right and some completely wrong. Without direct help from the instructors I would still be in a TGM fool's paradise. I thought I understood plane and I did on a conceptual level but as far as my swing was concerned it did not look that way. When Brian showed me what i should be doing Iwas totally shocked how far away I was. Without Brian's intervention there is no way I would have made some of the changes I have made. Had you had a lesson with Brian I am sure he would have got to grips with your head issues and saved you 3 years of grief. There is a lesson here for you and all those on this forum

YOU CAN ONLY GO SO FAR LEFT TO YOUR OWN DEVICES WITHOUT THE HELP OF AN AI

Trying to do it by yourself without qualified help is pure folly IMHO.

Even with a brain and alot of practice time? ;)
 

hue

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quote:Originally posted by birdie_man

I don't think it's PURE folly....

Makes it hard though.
What I find using the TGM forums, DVDs , the book etc is that I get clues that will help me on my path I see the book and the forums as preparation but am under no illusions that I can build a sound action close to my innate potential on those alone. I learned that at Canton . There are things I got there that I could never have got left to my own devices if I had 200 years to work on it left to my own devices. I doubt Brian would have his knowledge if he had gone about it left to his own devices without teachers helping. Brian said something quite profound to me along the lines of . The reason you go see Brian is because he has been down all the roads and can save you a lot of wasted time and effort and put you on the right path. That is what you pay him for. I look at TGM like those Russian Dolls . You think you know what you are looking at but there are more dolls inside like the layers of an onion skin. Very few get to see the mini doll in the middle and without outside help you have got no chance of seeing it unless you are a Homer Kelly and have a spare 28 years. The Doll I am looking at is smaller than the ones I have seen before but I know there are more inside and I will need direct help to get a look at the smaller dolls.
 

DDL

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quote:Originally posted by hue


YOU CAN ONLY GO SO FAR LEFT TO YOUR OWN DEVICES WITHOUT THE HELP OF AN AI

Trying to do it by yourself without qualified help is pure folly IMHO.

So true. I was about to add to my folly when I considered purchasing one of those rover-golf swing devices.
 
"The reason you go see Brian is because he has been down all the roads and can save you a lot of wasted time and effort and put you on the right path."

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That's exactly right man.

I've been doing this for about a year and a half or w/e.

Still narrowing it down. Very close though I feel.....I'm hitting it better than ever before....by far....and I understand what I'm doing mostly....that's the kicker.

Not sure where I'd be w/o TGM.....but I'll never know and I wouldn't want it any other way. All the time I spent was worth it in my view....although it definately would've been easier seeing an AI to at least clarify the book and get me on the right track....and much faster.

Like I said....I'm close.....and it's a "for-real" close this time.....cause I feel I actually know what I'm doing and why I'm hitting it good......sometimes you think "I've got it now!" cause you've had a couple good range sessions....but then it stops working....you don't know why....and you have to change stuff. I could be at the range and try a different swing almost every shot....I used to get that experimental.

Still learning tho...but it's getting very fun now.
 

Zippy

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Leadbetter who works with Enrie Els and Nick Faldo teaches to move the head allot during the swing in one of my favorite books the golf swing. He must be ancient now so I suppose he must be right. After all these years teaching the top level he must have the swing all figured out by now.
 
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