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pokerlife

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HI guys i have a friend who has been playing 10 years and is about to quit the game due to hitting it to short..

He is a good player who breaks 80 more often than he doesn't ! He is just tired of hitting his driver 230 240 with roll..
He doesn't do computers and internet so i told him i would record him and see if i could find him some help online..

His swing looks good in my opinion just no power !! Anyone see anything that could be the cause of that?


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pokerlife said:
HI guys i have a friend who has been playing 10 years and is about to quit the game due to hitting it to short..

He is a good player who breaks 80 more often than he doesn't ! He is just tired of hitting his driver 230 240 carry..
He doesn't do computers and internet so i told him i would record him and see if i could find him some help online..

His swing looks good in my opinion just no power !! Anyone see anything that could be the cause of that?


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That carry is further than most honest guys hit the ball and telling him that should be all the help that he needs.
 
pokerlife

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Thanks Kevin ! Not sure what what you mean exactly but i will let him know .. Which part is stalling?
He has had quite a few lessons trying to find more distance and is just discouraged i think. Hit's his irons really good and excellent short game but just cant get it out there .
 
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You really need to understand what Kevin is saying. I and others here got chastised for this, but you always hear to "use your pivot more" and "hit the ball with your body" and "swing from the ground up", which may help some, but I think gets misunderstood a lot too. I think that is what your friend is suffering from and getting out of sequence and losing distance. I would start by trying to get him to allow his arms to fall and get on a good hand path for a longer time in the downswing while his back stays turned to the target longer.
 
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Very slow backswings with a noticeable pause at the top usually don't hit it very far. They also tend to start the downswing with all parts moving a the same time. Usually accompanied by some throwaway and a non supportive pivot after impact.
 
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pokerlife said:
HI guys i have a friend who has been playing 10 years and is about to quit the game due to hitting it to short..

He is a good player who breaks 80 more often than he doesn't ! He is just tired of hitting his driver 230 240 with roll..
He doesn't do computers and internet so i told him i would record him and see if i could find him some help online..

His swing looks good in my opinion just no power !! Anyone see anything that could be the cause of that?


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Dear pokerlife,

Your friend has a fine 'starting' swing, and is a GREAT candidate for my previous posts regarding "Bumpy Back, keep it back"., and back to the target, longer.

That should add measurable distance and reduced dispersion. Please watch him to be sure he does not 'release' his right hip from the 'back' position if he is uncomfortable with it, or forward presses and releases it.

There is one more set-up change I will reserve until after you send videos of him with his 'Bumpy Back'.
 
Dariusz J.

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pokerlife said:
HI guys i have a friend who has been playing 10 years and is about to quit the game due to hitting it to short..
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Tell your friend that he's a weak man. Golf is NOT a game of length, but of precision. Obviously he is not consistent with his longer clubs. I beat regularly guys with similar single digit hcp who outdrive me. They used to talk -- Dariusz, return to your graphite shafts, maybe you will add 20 meters...and I answer -- what's the score after ? ROFL.

Cheers
 
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Kevin Shields said:
Very slow backswings with a noticeable pause at the top usually don't hit it very far. They also tend to start the downswing with all parts moving a the same time. Usually accompanied by some throwaway and a non supportive pivot after impact.
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A few guys I've played with I've just got them to download the Tour Tempo app to stop them doing funky rhythm stuff...

Not sure if i can post that?
 
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spktho

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pokerlife said:
Hey spktho i see that as well.. here is a face on view maybe you see something else ..

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In looking at my other post, having his arms "fall" longer may not be the correct way to describe the initial arm motion, but may be a feel that is needed. It is hard when not working in person, but I would then get him to have more of an athletic move by using his legs better to support his arm/hands powering the golf club. By the way, it looks to me that he has an open clubface through most of the downswing with the driver which would need worked on with the more arm power. art's suggestions are also great suggestions to work on in conjunction with getting the arms going better later in the down swing.
 
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spktho said:
In looking at my other post, having his arms "fall" longer may not be the correct way to describe the initial arm motion, but may be a feel that is needed. It is hard when not working in person, but I would then get him to have more of an athletic move by using his legs better to support his arm/hands powering the golf club. By the way, it looks to me that he has an open clubface through most of the downswing with the driver which would need worked on with the more arm power. art's suggestions are also great suggestions to work on in conjunction with getting the arms going better later in the down swing.
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http://www.brianmanzella.com/golfing-discussions/16885-hand-path-transition-brian-manzella-arts-dynamic-balance-thoughts.html?highlight=DYNAMIC
curt, read this whole thread. art and ekennedy's posts should help you get caught up.
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I'm not sure if it was in the thread Jeremy linked to, but what really helped me understand how the lower body stabilizes the swing was ekennedy sharing his toying around with the tangential start of the downswing with the arms. He described having the person swinging the golf club to get the the top of the backswing, then having someone else standing in front(outside his/her left leg on the target side) grab the club head. The student/person swinging the club then pulls the handle away in the away from the target/back, down, around direction and notice what the lower body/legs has to do. Using art's advice to keep the right hip back and I would also suggest to keep the knees over the toes will be a big help in feeling how the lower body stabilizes for the arms to get more involved in the swing. From there, I think your friend will still be able to get a good hand path to support an increase in club head speed. Once he is able to get that feel starting his arms/hands first in the down swing he can use his body pivot as hard as he can and more than likely will not disrupt the handpath.

I have found the Orange Whip training club to be really good at feeling this too.
 
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Kevin Shields said:
Pokerlife, what does/has your friend worked on for increasing distance?
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Mostly his backswing.. Trying to go for better connected .. Everything synced up..
Im curious Kevin what your plan usually is with a student asking for more distance .. Where do you start ?
 
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pokerlife said:
Mostly his backswing.. Trying to go for better connected .. Everything synced up..
Im curious Kevin what your plan usually is with a student asking for more distance .. Where do you start ?
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With him I'd start with that...why does he think that's a good idea? Anything to improve impact conditions for a better strike if needed and
then obviously attack power leaks for speed.
 
pokerlife

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Maybe this will help.. My friend got on a Trackman Today! Here are the numbers..

Carry - 220 yards

Total distance - 227 yards

Smash - 1.51

Club path - 3.6 R

Launch angles-- 13.3 Vertical 3.7 R horizontal

Ball Speed -- 137 MPH

Clubhead speed -- 91.3 MPH

SPin - 3999 RPM Axis - 0.5 R

He also tried a new driver that produced 2500 spin and 9 yards longer roll.
 
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Frans@France

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at 91mph his maximum total distance possible depending on the Angle of attack is
-5 : 231
0 : 245
+5 : 259

The 259 needs a launch angle at 13.8 degree and an spin around 2000 rpm
 
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