help with interpreting Trackman data, and what it says about my swing

[macduffer]

I got myself on a trackman today (first time). I got some data from it which I found interesting.

With a 6 iron, swinging in my 'current' way (see earlier thread), these were the figures:

Clubhead speed 77.8
Path 7.1 degrees right
Face 3.3 degrees right
AoA 9.6 degrees down
Launch angle: 11.9 degrees

Using a combination of the 'step and swing' method - step on the right foot, swing it back, step on the left, swing through - and NHA, these were the figures:

Clubhead speed 83.6
Path 1.7 degrees right
Face 1.0 degrees right
AoA 3.5 degrees down
Launch angle: 19.2 deg

What are these figures like? What conclusions should I be drawing?


One thing I did notice; which ever 'method' I used, I developed a very bowed wrist in the transition, and lost my lag fairly early. What causes the wrist bow, and how can I retain my angles longer?

Thanks

 

[bax1865]

Keep using the second "method"

 

[Bigwill]

Keep using the second "method"

Right

Do you have a swing vid posted somewhere, MacD? Might be helpful in diagnosing your swing problem.

 

[mjstrong]

Did you setup the same way? People always put so much emphasis on the swing move, and not enough to the intricacies of the setup.

With your "current" swing: Is your ball position back in your stance? Without seeing your swing, I'd suggest moving it up a bit. That should help shallow out your AoA, and also reduce your rightward path and face...

But, since your clubhead speed AND other variables appear better in the second swing, what's to question? Go with it!

 

[macduffer]

Right

Do you have a swing vid posted somewhere, MacD? Might be helpful in diagnosing your swing problem.

I'm currently in a real quandary. I've put in a lot of time and effort into my current method, but I've just not cracked it. I might well be going for a lesson with 'a specialist' but yesterday and today just standing there and hitting it (more or less) seemed to produce such different results that I'm very inclined just to continue that.

I might well post a vid in the next day or 2 (family stuff permitting), if that's ok under the new rules?

(and if any of the GTE guys want to chime in, that's obviously ok too)

 

[Richie3Jack]

Well, it's no wonder why you hit it low with a 9.6* attack angle with a 6-iron. That's pretty steep for a LW. IIRC< the PGA Tour average AoA with a 6-iron is something like -3.7*. So you have an AoA nearly 3x steeper than the PGA Tour average.

Your swing is also set up to hit a push draw...err, a push hook. 3.3* right with the face and 7.1* with the path is pretty extreme. Ideally if you're looking to hit a push draw like the pros, you'd want something more along the lines of 1* face and 3* path, maybe even tighter than that. This also has to do with the AoA. Since it's so steep, you are hitting the ball well before you get to the low point and thus the path will go quite aways out to the right. I'd actually check your ball position with the first pattern. It's been awhile since I''ve seen your swing with this pattern, so from just looking at this data, the AoA really stands out more to me than the path and the face because the path and the face are probalby just a function of the extreme AoA.


Second pattern you hit much less down, so the path and the face were more square. If you were aiming at the target, probably resulted in a small push with a small fade missing the target slightly right, but probably finds most greens.

Pattern #2 performs far better. Pattern #1 might perform well if you can get the AoA fixed.




3JACK

 

[duckjr78]

Well, it's no wonder why you hit it low with a 9.6* attack angle with a 6-iron. That's pretty steep for a LW. IIRC< the PGA Tour average AoA with a 6-iron is something like -3.7*. So you have an AoA nearly 3x steeper than the PGA Tour average.

Your swing is also set up to hit a push draw...err, a push hook. 3.3* right with the face and 7.1* with the path is pretty extreme. Ideally if you're looking to hit a push draw like the pros, you'd want something more along the lines of 1* face and 3* path, maybe even tighter than that. This also has to do with the AoA. Since it's so steep, you are hitting the ball well before you get to the low point and thus the path will go quite aways out to the right. I'd actually check your ball position with the first pattern. It's been awhile since I''ve seen your swing with this pattern, so from just looking at this data, the AoA really stands out more to me than the path and the face because the path and the face are probalby just a function of the extreme AoA.


Second pattern you hit much less down, so the path and the face were more square. If you were aiming at the target, probably resulted in a small push with a small fade missing the target slightly right, but probably finds most greens.

Pattern #2 performs far better. Pattern #1 might perform well if you can get the AoA fixed.




3JACK

Doesn't the second pattern come out to a small push draw? The face is closed to the path, right?

 

[Frans@France]

Doesn't the second pattern come out to a small push draw? The face is closed to the path, right?

No. The difference between path and face is small (0.7 degree) so the spin axis will be less then 2 degree tilted. The ball will therefor stay on it's path (straight shot) It might that the 1.x degree right is just a aiming issue.

 

[wulsy]

Very steep AoA for someone who looses lag early (first example). Given that in your description of the swing concept used for the second example the body movement/weight distribution is clearly different the conclusion that I would draw is that the body is too far left at impact in the first example.

 

[bax1865]

Just a guess but I would be willing to bet that pattern number 1 involves staying on your left side with a flat arm swing going back.

 

[macduffer]

Just a guess but I would be willing to bet that pattern number 1 involves staying on your left side with a flat arm swing going back.

Yup. And even though '2' feels like Jack Nicklaus it's still pretty flat.

Still baffled why my flw bows itself so much in the transition.