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I'm growing tired of PI's post. They're long winded and have no substance.Brian gives me ANSWERS. I want the best dammit!
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shortgamer said:
Post a problem and I'll offer an answer.
You are simply missing the substance of the posts because of your needs or search for specifics that I don't address there. But if you have a question, I'll gladly offer my two cents. In a word, you want answers to what?
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After reading this thread about 5 times I'm going to pass on your offer. I came here to learn from the best and thats what I intend to do. You see I'm at the Brian Manzella site, not an Austin site.
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OK. Suppose you enrolled in a civil engineering program and wanted a consise, simple explanation of how to builid a bridge that would support ten ton trucks and stand up to traffic for years to come. It involves knowing how to dig, locate, and construct a suitable foundation, what materials to use and how to put them together, how to span the gap from one side of the river to the other to support that weight and endure over time, and how to put THOSE parts together.
Suppose you went to your professor and said: I don't have time or the money to take a one semester course in bridge building, a two semester course, or a college major leading to a degree representing competence: just give it to me in a summary, thanks. (When looking for a job later, of course, that summary would suffice for a high entry position with an engineering firm...no need for the full semester course, or the other courses, to say nothing of a doctorate, obviously: they are just rehashes, no?)
So the "one line" answer to your post is as follows: take hold of the club in a way that you won't lose it when you swing it and that permits your hands to fold and cock in unison; stand in a way that permits your arms to swing freely back and forth along a line that runs parallel to the line you want to make the ball move. Bend over sufficiently that your arms hang under your armpits as you swing, and by trial and error locate how high or low you need to stand, and how close or far from the ball to stand, so that when SWINGING the club, the head of it is just the right height from the ground to impact the ball cleanly in the center of the clubface before the club gets low enough to hit the dirt under it. Of course you won't get away with changing how high you stand while you're swinging it as that changes the height of the clubhead during your swing.
After you have the ability to strike a ball cleanly, again by trial and error locate how "closed" or "open" the clubface needs to be in your hands (relative to the plane of your left wrist) before you swing back so that when it DOES hit the ball it IS square to the line you are swinging and the ball travels in the direction you intend. I.e., experiment with how strong or weak to make your grip so that it gets square, but not by doing anything during your swing other than allowing your arms and hands to roll as they do naturally.
When you have discovered that such a "one line" summary of "how to" is insufficient to really "get it," you may want to take a one semester course and learn more. And when you have done that, and in the process discover that you need more than THAT, you may want to take some MORE courses.
I bet you have a better chance at getting "a job" if you do take more "courses." An employer might hire you after a couple courses to help carry the materials...
About the golf swing: There are books, videos, teachers, etc. from whom you can "take these courses," and Brian has a reputation for offering just about the best there is. I have a few of my own - the introductory one is for kids and women and beginners and intermediate and tour level golfers and it is called "5 minutes to a perfect golf swing" and takes about 45 minutes on tape, 10 minutes in person.... My point is that YOU will need KNOWLEDGE same as you will need for building bridges; not by copying how a bridge looks to your eye, but by UNDERSTANDING THE NATURE OF WHAT PROVIDES a solid foundation, integrity of the parts, and the principles by which its construction will serve the purpose for which it is built (form follows function).
I wouldn't take "bridge building" and expect to achieve competence from internet discussion forums in which the contributors run anywhere from really qualified experts to rank newcomers, so given that competence with a golf club is more than a quick study, you might want truly to invest in a program that gives real knowledge.
I hope the work and personal responsibility truly to learn what you are doing doesn't disappoint you; I don't think I'd pass the finals if in my bridge building program all I ever was able to pick up was "do this like this" instead of TRULY UNDERSTANDING HOW everything works.
Good luck in your search for the easiest way to get there.
Suppose you went to your professor and said: I don't have time or the money to take a one semester course in bridge building, a two semester course, or a college major leading to a degree representing competence: just give it to me in a summary, thanks. (When looking for a job later, of course, that summary would suffice for a high entry position with an engineering firm...no need for the full semester course, or the other courses, to say nothing of a doctorate, obviously: they are just rehashes, no?)
So the "one line" answer to your post is as follows: take hold of the club in a way that you won't lose it when you swing it and that permits your hands to fold and cock in unison; stand in a way that permits your arms to swing freely back and forth along a line that runs parallel to the line you want to make the ball move. Bend over sufficiently that your arms hang under your armpits as you swing, and by trial and error locate how high or low you need to stand, and how close or far from the ball to stand, so that when SWINGING the club, the head of it is just the right height from the ground to impact the ball cleanly in the center of the clubface before the club gets low enough to hit the dirt under it. Of course you won't get away with changing how high you stand while you're swinging it as that changes the height of the clubhead during your swing.
After you have the ability to strike a ball cleanly, again by trial and error locate how "closed" or "open" the clubface needs to be in your hands (relative to the plane of your left wrist) before you swing back so that when it DOES hit the ball it IS square to the line you are swinging and the ball travels in the direction you intend. I.e., experiment with how strong or weak to make your grip so that it gets square, but not by doing anything during your swing other than allowing your arms and hands to roll as they do naturally.
When you have discovered that such a "one line" summary of "how to" is insufficient to really "get it," you may want to take a one semester course and learn more. And when you have done that, and in the process discover that you need more than THAT, you may want to take some MORE courses.
I bet you have a better chance at getting "a job" if you do take more "courses." An employer might hire you after a couple courses to help carry the materials...
About the golf swing: There are books, videos, teachers, etc. from whom you can "take these courses," and Brian has a reputation for offering just about the best there is. I have a few of my own - the introductory one is for kids and women and beginners and intermediate and tour level golfers and it is called "5 minutes to a perfect golf swing" and takes about 45 minutes on tape, 10 minutes in person.... My point is that YOU will need KNOWLEDGE same as you will need for building bridges; not by copying how a bridge looks to your eye, but by UNDERSTANDING THE NATURE OF WHAT PROVIDES a solid foundation, integrity of the parts, and the principles by which its construction will serve the purpose for which it is built (form follows function).
I wouldn't take "bridge building" and expect to achieve competence from internet discussion forums in which the contributors run anywhere from really qualified experts to rank newcomers, so given that competence with a golf club is more than a quick study, you might want truly to invest in a program that gives real knowledge.
I hope the work and personal responsibility truly to learn what you are doing doesn't disappoint you; I don't think I'd pass the finals if in my bridge building program all I ever was able to pick up was "do this like this" instead of TRULY UNDERSTANDING HOW everything works.
Good luck in your search for the easiest way to get there.
Perfect Impact said:
perfect answer and exactly what i was expecting (and i don't disagree)...however, in bold above lies the rub of YOU posting on BRIAN's forum and subtlety (or not so subtlety) "introducing opinions that diversify and so dilute the underlying principles on which Brian's teaching is based." (as Burner so well put it) as well as subtlety (or not so subtlety) implying that you have other/superior principles...this is what i think has been bothering shortgamer (and others)...and now i'll follow Burner's excellent example and "butt out"...
-hcw
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I really don't think Brian loses anything at all by virtue of the fact that other teachers etc. post here and comment, add opinions, introduce divergence of ideas, or anything of the sort. Seems he has deservedly achieved a heck of a lot of loyal fans - I posted my own kudos on another thread a few minutes ago.
I also think that he is not closed-minded enough to believe that he already knows everything he needs to know, that he has scaled all of the points of view and perspectives possible...AND if he were to find something that proved to be compelling in its logic so as to replace his own belief about the swing, that he wouldn't be glad for the information to add to his own arsenal.
To be the teacher he is MEANS he is alive and well as a pupil himself.
Nothing I have posted negates BM's teachings that I am aware of.
Synergy is the concept of that one plus one = three. and the corollary is, "He who has not, even what he SEEMS to have will be taken from him."
Bottom line: if I am wrong anywhere, I want to know it. I believe BM would say the same. His own statements, and his silence about my posts and exchanges of ideas on his forum here, are sufficient for me to convince me of his open mind. As they would say down under, "Good on you!"
Yup.
I also think that he is not closed-minded enough to believe that he already knows everything he needs to know, that he has scaled all of the points of view and perspectives possible...AND if he were to find something that proved to be compelling in its logic so as to replace his own belief about the swing, that he wouldn't be glad for the information to add to his own arsenal.
To be the teacher he is MEANS he is alive and well as a pupil himself.
Nothing I have posted negates BM's teachings that I am aware of.
Synergy is the concept of that one plus one = three. and the corollary is, "He who has not, even what he SEEMS to have will be taken from him."
Bottom line: if I am wrong anywhere, I want to know it. I believe BM would say the same. His own statements, and his silence about my posts and exchanges of ideas on his forum here, are sufficient for me to convince me of his open mind. As they would say down under, "Good on you!"
Yup.
Perfect Impact said:
brian is the most open, tolerant forum owner i have ever seen, but i disaggree that you and he always agree on concepts/ideas/terminology and here is an example (Posts 33-36)
i'll again turn to something Burner said:
"Sure, different viewpoints are good when used constructively, as a straightforward exchange of ideas, for example.
However, viewpoints that undermine (intentionally or otherwise) the foundations on which this house, Brian's house, is built are not constructive."
...you may not believe that you are intentionally trying to put forth your ideas as superior, but let me assure you it comes across that way at times and i am not the first/only one to notice or comment on it...you have your own site/forum, that is where you should be hawking your ideas on the golf swing!
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